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Today 06:01 PM
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don't be stupid, it has nothing to do with liability. expectations only changed after covid when the news everyday publish articles of fresh CS grads and bootcampers earning 7k-10k per month while working 2 hours per day. it sets expectations. don't believe, then go see when did accounting intake started falling drastically.
Literally every tech job in Singapore requires a degree in STEM lmfao and any bootcamper garbo monkey gets killed within a year or two and ends up in square 1 where no one wants to hire them.

Also none of them makes anything more than 7k, dream on.
Today 05:38 PM
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I think one of the reason why some young people resign or young people don't join audit is because they afraid they might be asked by many people to bear the responsibilities or legal consequence due to negligence or lack of duty of care?

Because the pay is like $4.1K?

The audit association has a thinking that "The audit partners, lawyers, client, judge, regulators, ISCA, ACRA wants an audit associate who taking a $4.1K salary to bear all the responsibilities or legal consequence."

They are thinking "Siao eh!! $4.1K salary, you want to limpeh to tank everything and legal consequences for YOU!!. NO WAY! you smart......I not stupid"
don't be stupid, it has nothing to do with liability. expectations only changed after covid when the news everyday publish articles of fresh CS grads and bootcampers earning 7k-10k per month while working 2 hours per day. it sets expectations. don't believe, then go see when did accounting intake started falling drastically.
Today 04:42 PM
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That's why I say the associate who run away and resign are humji

I am senior manager already lor

Last time my seniors also run away from problems

But I stay on

So now shake leg liao as Senior managers

Just do review work

While young blood audit associates go out do fieldwork
Lol so you kind of ppl stay back as snr mgr and continue the toxic cycle
Make sense make sense . Happy living in the fish tank sir
Today 04:38 PM
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U wont feel like wasting the life away meh. Like every year wait for promotion only. Dam im looking hard to exit. Wasting time sia. Buay ta han.
Put your body on auto pilot mode and you promote very fast.. one year by one year pass very fast.

It’s a skill we learnt in army lol.

But cannot spam this skills too much.. you become old too quickly.
Today 04:26 PM
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That's why I say the associate who run away and resign are humji

I am senior manager already lor

Last time my seniors also run away from problems

But I stay on

So now shake leg liao as Senior managers

Just do review work

While young blood audit associates go out do fieldwork
U wont feel like wasting the life away meh. Like every year wait for promotion only. Dam im looking hard to exit. Wasting time sia. Buay ta han.
Today 03:35 PM
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I alrdy mgr lo. Audit so ez. No extra money do extra for what. Dont dumb leh.
That's why I say the associate who run away and resign are humji

I am senior manager already lor

Last time my seniors also run away from problems

But I stay on

So now shake leg liao as Senior managers

Just do review work

While young blood audit associates go out do fieldwork
Today 03:33 PM
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Cringe af.

You think you very cool meh?

You think Jackson Wang ah?

Lmao
Today 03:31 PM
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Humji to take over seniors' workload just admit lah

that's y choose to run away by resigning the job

Don't come BS infront of me to say you not dumb

No different from running away from problem
I alrdy mgr lo. Audit so ez. No extra money do extra for what. Dont dumb leh.
Today 03:05 PM
Unregistered Still amazed why ppl join audit . With all the bad rep flying on the internet …
Today 03:03 PM
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Dude I was a S1 scapegoat earning 3.2k just few years ago.
s://.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/audit-assistant-forge-signature-report-singapore-football-clubs-woodlands-wellington-hougang-united-tiong-bahru-3773311

Are you this guy?


SINGAPORE: An audit assistant who forged an accountant's signature on an independent auditor's report for Woodlands Wellington Football Club was fined S$20,000 on Friday (Sep 15).

The court heard that Lau Chee Yoong, 34, employed by public accounting practice Chan Leng Leng & Co at the time, committed the offence due to stress from his workload.

Lau was found out when investigations into a separate matter involving Tiong Bahru Football Club unearthed his wrongdoing.

He pleaded guilty to the forgery charge relating to Woodlands Wellington, while a similar charge involving Hougang United Football Club was taken into consideration for sentencing. Both Hougang United and Woodlands Wellington were clients of Chan Leng Leng & Co.

The court heard that before March 2016, Lau was assigned by sole proprietor Chan Leng Leng to conduct the audit on Woodlands Wellington for the financial year of 2015.

With the help of a Woodlands Wellington finance executive, Lau began auditing the football club's accounts. But his workload began to pile up as he was juggling multiple accounts, causing a delay.

Woodlands Wellington's finance executive began to pressure him to finish the work so that the club could submit its financial statements to the Inland Revenue Authority of Singapore (IRAS) by the end of May 2016.

Lau finalised the financial statements towards the end of May. He was then supposed to submit the financial statements and working papers to Chan for inspection before she signed on an independent auditor's report.

However, Lau was unable to submit the documents to Chan as he was assigned other audits and was rushing to complete them.

At the same time, Woodland Wellington's finance executive continued to pressure him for the signed documents.

Caving under the stress, Lau decided to forge Chan's signature.

He photocopied Chan's signature on an independent auditor's report for the previous financial year, and cut out the signature. He then glued the cut-out signature onto the independent auditor's report for that financial year, before photocopying the documents.

Using a pen, Lau then traced the signature to make it look more realistic.

He then stamped the date May 16, 2016, before sending the report along with the financial statements of financial year 2015 to Woodlands Wellington.

The football club did not detect the forgery and submitted the statements to the Registry of Societies, IRAS and the Football Association of Singapore, among other entities.

The forgery was only discovered during the Commercial Affairs Department's investigations into Tiong Bahru Football Club, after Sports Singapore lodged a police report about Tiong Bahru's irregularities in April 2017.

As part of the probe, the authorities also investigated Hougang United and Woodlands Wellington and seized their audit reports. During investigations, Chan told investigators that she did not sign on financial statements relating to Woodlands Wellington and Hougang United accounts for the financial year of 2015. Investigations then revealed Lau's crime.

Deputy Public Prosecutor Thiagesh Sukumaran said that audit associates have important duties, as the endorsement of financial statements will impact external decisions made by parties, such as investors, in relation to the financial health of companies.

He added that the court could not downplay the importance of financial statements meant to project the financial sustainability of a company.

He sought a fine of S$20,000 (US$14,700) to S$25,000 for Lau.

If government bodies could not trust the authenticity of documents, the trust in the system would be undermined, Mr Thiagesh argued.

A significant fine was needed to "deter like-minded individuals from committing such offences", he said.

"Not only does it restore trust in system, it also deters auditing professionals from committing these offences without thinking of the consequences."

Another aggravating factor was how the crime went undetected until the investigations into Tiong Bahru Football Club, which took almost a year.

Lau's lawyer Gideon Yap proposed a fine of S$10,000, providing a range of cases which showed that the "standard amount" imposed was less than half of what he was seeking.

He said S$10,000 would be sufficient to send a strong message given his client's case, where there was "no benefit" but a mistake committed "in a moment of pressure".

Mr Yap also asked District Judge Ronald Gwee to take into account the "significant delay of seven years" for the matter to be concluded.

Judge Gwee agreed with the prosecution that deterrence was important to deter other audit professionals from taking the same route.

For forgery, Lau could have been jailed up to four years, or fined, or both.
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