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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why do you type like a ****ing university student writing an essay?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

There is no such policy in any of the B4 for employees to bear client's cost.

Please stop telling lies on the internet, and get a life.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why do you type like a ****ing university student writing an essay?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I can understand the frustration and disillusionment you are feeling after leaving the audit profession. It’s clear that you have valid points about the issues within the management structure and the overall quality standards. However, I believe it’s crucial to address some aspects constructively and encourage open communication.

First, if you feel so strongly about the problems within the firm, why didn't you provide feedback to management? Constructive criticism from the ground up is vital for any organisation to improve. If management doesn’t know what’s going on at the operational level, how can they address these issues?

Your insights and experiences could have been invaluable in shaping better policies and practices. I get that it might feel like management isn’t listening, but change often starts with persistent voices willing to speak up. If you are introverted, find alternative ways to communicate such as through detailed emails, anonymous feedback, or even small group discussions. It’s about ensuring that your voice is heard.

Everyone has a part to play in maintaining the quality and standards of our profession. If we remain silent about the issues we face, we inadvertently become part of the problem. Instead of just walking away and venting your frustrations afterwards, take action while you are still within the system. Propose solutions, highlight the gaps, and collaborate with your peers to present a unified front. You might be surprised at the positive changes that can occur when management is made aware of the ground realities.

By choosing to leave without trying to address these issues, you are essentially running away from the problem rather than confronting it. It’s easy to point out flaws and then step back, but it takes courage and commitment to stay and work towards a solution. If everyone took the same approach, there would never be any progress or improvement in any organisation.

I hope you consider this perspective and realise the importance of open communication and feedback. It’s through collective effort and dialogue that we can hope to see meaningful changes in our profession.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

recently left, dont hate audit, dont hate the hours, hate the fact that management is doing nothing to maintain the quality of the profession. a lot of politcal bs at the very top.

senior partners got very little incentive to change status quo because any change affect their take home and they are about 5 years away from packing bag and retiring in their condo before taking on some AC / director roles. junior partners got to suck it up because their comp and bonus is all decided by senior partners exco.

all these salary raises to address the situation are done under the gun, basically milk spilt already then take cloth and wipe. audit standards are going down faster than double declining depreciation ever since covid.

4.1k starting pay got what use when ur MA outside paying 4.8 with i would say competitive progression for the first 5 years. all you get are the leftovers still, just that your leftover still slightly better quality. this is not withstanding that outside of audit the WLB is about 50% better at minimum.

even if say someone told me i guarantee become partner 8 years from now if i stayed, and i can earn 25k / month as a year 1 partner would i do it? probably not, because the 8 years are going to be like dragging my balls through glass. the intern of 3 years ago is better than the year 2 associate of today.

being a manager now is just the a sandwich position, ask u take a 1m port still u need to manage the partner, uphold the firm standards, make sure everything is prim and proper before send them for review at the same time hand hold the senior and staff. some seniors now cant even construct a proper english sentence, some cant even give basic JEs. but you cant do anything about it because press them too hard they look like they gonna break and fall apart, so you just "make do". few years ago u just need to catch up with the senior, give some guidance, good to go.

the ask of you vs the promised benefit is not worth the money, and im certain i dont need 25k a month to lead a good life. beyond 15k you honestly just want a crazy rich asian lifestyle. good luck to those who are still inside and gunning for partner, hats off for your resilience, probably easier to make it there now. but if you make partner you might be sweating buckets everytime you sign the FS.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Can one

you want argue employee-employer contract.

Ok lor

Deduct $400 extension fee from your salary lor

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You have no relationship with your client.

You are an employee in an employee-employer contract.

Any disbursements is borne by your employer.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Your mileage may vary.

Some managers will protect their staff, other would throw them under the bus.

When you become manager in a few years, choose what type you become.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

So now become my fault

Not manager's responsibility?