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Unregistered 12-09-2022 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230156)
Any news on the pau during 1 year TC? I’ve been hearing talk here and there that it will be kept at 2k a month for the big 4? Surely that’s not right

The recent Big 4 salary bumps were in anticipation of that la. So that when trainees naturally complain why 1 year TC still 2k pay, law firm management can point to the increased NQ pay to say "see, we got increase your pay to account for this wad".

You think local firms so good suka suka give payrise meh. This is sinkapore. Give you 1 chicken wing take back 1 chicken leg. Sinkie pwn sinkie penny pinching mentality.

Get the f out of local sweatshop firms ASAP if you can.

Unregistered 12-09-2022 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230148)
can others confirm this for the firms listed? is NQ after 2 years of training, including PTC (UK scale) or only after PTC (SG scale)?

Silver circles go by UK time scale.

I suggest u go straight to WS firm . Double the pay

Unregistered 12-09-2022 08:31 PM

Silver Circle NQ pay?
 
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230179)
Silver circles go by UK time scale.

I suggest u go straight to WS firm . Double the pay

I see. But is what the poster said about silver circle firms in Singapore (the ones that take on sg graduates) true?

Is their starting NQ pay higher than the big four - i.e. somewhere between $7.5-9.5k?

particularly for HSF, NRF, Ashurst - I think the first two are offering uk dual qual tc now

Unregistered 12-09-2022 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230181)
I see. But is what the poster said about silver circle firms in Singapore (the ones that take on sg graduates) true?

Is their starting NQ pay higher than the big four - i.e. somewhere between $7.5-9.5k?

particularly for HSF, NRF, Ashurst - I think the first two are offering uk dual qual tc now

NRF has a UK TC for SG graduates? This is the first time I'm hearing of this. Can you link us?

HSF's one is fine and pays around ~20% lower than their UK trainees. I generally don't recommend that anyone try to go straight for UK qualification as a fresh graduate though, given how long the SQE/BPP takes. Get that NQ salary as soon as possible, don't delay it by another 1.5 years.

Unregistered 12-09-2022 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230191)
NRF has a UK TC for SG graduates? This is the first time I'm hearing of this. Can you link us?

HSF's one is fine and pays around ~20% lower than their UK trainees. I generally don't recommend that anyone try to go straight for UK qualification as a fresh graduate though, given how long the SQE/BPP takes. Get that NQ salary as soon as possible, don't delay it by another 1.5 years.

s://.nortonrosefulbright.com/en/news/aa644490/norton-rose-fulbright-celebrates-40-years-in-singapore

this article just came out no more than a week ago, also see their job post on linkedin

not clear what the exact training structure is based on the article alone though, would probably need to wait for more info to be released surrounding it

Unregistered 13-09-2022 01:30 AM

I am at crossroads
I am inhouse counsel for past 2 years
Recently I interviewed with an international firm.

My job now is pretty standard hours 9am to 6pm. Almost no OT and no stress at all. I get flexible hours to plan my work in sending my wife to work and kids to school and picking them up in afternoon. My workplace colleagues are generally nice. However salary wise it is pretty low, $10k and little progression.

International firm (UK) salary is around $15k.

Should I make the move for 50% more in salary?

How is culture, pace, and people like in an international firm?

Unregistered 13-09-2022 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230194)
I am at crossroads
I am inhouse counsel for past 2 years
Recently I interviewed with an international firm.

My job now is pretty standard hours 9am to 6pm. Almost no OT and no stress at all. I get flexible hours to plan my work in sending my wife to work and kids to school and picking them up in afternoon. My workplace colleagues are generally nice. However salary wise it is pretty low, $10k and little progression.

International firm (UK) salary is around $15k.

Should I make the move for 50% more in salary?

How is culture, pace, and people like in an international firm?

What is your PQE?

Unregistered 13-09-2022 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230194)
I am at crossroads
I am inhouse counsel for past 2 years
Recently I interviewed with an international firm.

My job now is pretty standard hours 9am to 6pm. Almost no OT and no stress at all. I get flexible hours to plan my work in sending my wife to work and kids to school and picking them up in afternoon. My workplace colleagues are generally nice. However salary wise it is pretty low, $10k and little progression.

International firm (UK) salary is around $15k.

Should I make the move for 50% more in salary?

How is culture, pace, and people like in an international firm?

Your per hourly rate may be the same or lesser, as you may have to put in more than 50% more work than at your current job.

Unregistered 13-09-2022 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230194)
I am at crossroads
I am inhouse counsel for past 2 years
Recently I interviewed with an international firm.

My job now is pretty standard hours 9am to 6pm. Almost no OT and no stress at all. I get flexible hours to plan my work in sending my wife to work and kids to school and picking them up in afternoon. My workplace colleagues are generally nice. However salary wise it is pretty low, $10k and little progression.

International firm (UK) salary is around $15k.

Should I make the move for 50% more in salary?

How is culture, pace, and people like in an international firm?

Apply to US firms instead. Minimum 70% - 140% pay bump.

Unregistered 13-09-2022 03:51 PM

In house can still move to practice meh?

Unregistered 13-09-2022 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230194)
I am at crossroads
I am inhouse counsel for past 2 years
Recently I interviewed with an international firm.

My job now is pretty standard hours 9am to 6pm. Almost no OT and no stress at all. I get flexible hours to plan my work in sending my wife to work and kids to school and picking them up in afternoon. My workplace colleagues are generally nice. However salary wise it is pretty low, $10k and little progression.

International firm (UK) salary is around $15k.

Should I make the move for 50% more in salary?

How is culture, pace, and people like in an international firm?

Were you from kings college?

Unregistered 14-09-2022 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230151)
Why do wongpartnership lawyers look alot older in person compared to their profile pictures?

Doesn't everyone Photoshop

Unregistered 15-09-2022 10:04 AM

Singapore academic ranks for anyone who is interested

Rank from lowest to highest:

Research assistant
Research associate
Research fellow / Teaching fellow
Lecturer
Senior lecturer
Assistant professor (lowest of the professor rank)
Associate professor
Professor

Unregistered 15-09-2022 10:14 AM

does anyone know which firms require trainees to start early (immediately after part b exams finish)?

Unregistered 15-09-2022 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230327)
does anyone know which firms require trainees to start early (immediately after part b exams finish)?

I think Wong P trainees start their PTC in December.

Unregistered 15-09-2022 11:57 AM

so what will firms be paying for the new 1 year TC period?

Unregistered 15-09-2022 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230339)
so what will firms be paying for the new 1 year TC period?

Heard they're starting at 2k for the first 6 months then up to 4.5 for the last six.

Unregistered 15-09-2022 01:10 PM

Guys any view on Simmons and ashurst?

Thanks

Unregistered 15-09-2022 01:11 PM

Is it true that most NUS ppl go to a&g and drew
And SMU go to WongP and rajah

Then where the rest go?

Unregistered 15-09-2022 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230326)
Singapore academic ranks for anyone who is interested

Rank from lowest to highest:

Research assistant
Research associate
Research fellow / Teaching fellow
Lecturer
Senior lecturer
Assistant professor (lowest of the professor rank)
Associate professor
Professor

Cock lah. Which university you talking about? The schemes so different.

NUS (Educator track):
Teaching assistant
Instructor
Lecturer
Senior lecturer
Associate Prof (Educator)
Not sure if there's full prof. I doubt it.

NUS (research/tenure track):
Sheridan Fellow
Assistant Prof
Assoc Prof
Prof

NUS (practice track):
Assistant Prof (practice)
Assoc Prof (practice)
Not sure if there's full prof. I doubt it.

General researchers (these are with centers. They don't teach).
Research assistants;
Research associates;
Research fellows.

Unregistered 15-09-2022 01:17 PM

I just saw Rachel Leow LinkedIn that join LSE as assistant professor? Didn't Walter Woon and Dan Puchniak join SMU? What is going on at NUS?

Unregistered 15-09-2022 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230347)
I just saw Rachel Leow LinkedIn that join LSE as assistant professor? Didn't Walter Woon and Dan Puchniak join SMU? What is going on at NUS?

Ask the dean meritocracy Simon

Unregistered 15-09-2022 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230342)
Heard they're starting at 2k for the first 6 months then up to 4.5 for the last six.

For b4? What about mid sized

Unregistered 15-09-2022 05:14 PM

Anyone knows the JLC pay?

Unregistered 15-09-2022 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230349)
Ask the dean meritocracy Simon

He now is vice provost don't play play

Unregistered 15-09-2022 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230345)
Is it true that most NUS ppl go to a&g and drew
And SMU go to WongP and rajah

Then where the rest go?

SUSS go to withers

Unregistered 16-09-2022 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230363)
Anyone knows the JLC pay?

Smelly smelly at least 10k

Unregistered 16-09-2022 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230345)
Is it true that most NUS ppl go to a&g and drew
And SMU go to WongP and rajah

Then where the rest go?

This is like, wildly wrong. Lol. But to answer your question, the rest go to Baker.

Unregistered 16-09-2022 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230344)
Guys any view on Simmons and ashurst?

Thanks

I heard simmons is offering dual qual TC with pay higher than baker

Unregistered 16-09-2022 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230347)
I just saw Rachel Leow LinkedIn that join LSE as assistant professor? Didn't Walter Woon and Dan Puchniak join SMU? What is going on at NUS?

Apparently Timothy Liau also left, along with a number of teaching assistants. Maybe that's why they just sent an email on academic careers and a talk.

Unregistered 16-09-2022 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230378)
SUSS go to withers

Who goes to big5 Dentons then?

Oxbridge?

Unregistered 16-09-2022 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230419)
Who goes to big5 Dentons then?

Oxbridge?

King's College Dickson Poon Law grads obviously

Unregistered 16-09-2022 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230422)
King's College Dickson Poon Law grads obviously

Most oxbridge grads in SG are in international law firms.

Talking about the actual undergrad law deg from oxbridge

Unregistered 16-09-2022 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230424)
Most oxbridge grads in SG are in international law firms.

Talking about the actual undergrad law deg from oxbridge

Isn't the BCL purportedly much harder than the undergraduate law deg from oxford

Unregistered 16-09-2022 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230427)
Isn't the BCL purportedly much harder than the undergraduate law deg from oxford

Only cmi people need to go recut their academic chops

Unregistered 17-09-2022 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230419)
Who goes to big5 Dentons then?

Oxbridge?

The people who believe in the fiction of a “big 5” presumably.

Unregistered 17-09-2022 09:27 AM

AsiaLegal
 
How is this firm?

Weren't they with HFW last time?

Unregistered 17-09-2022 09:38 AM

If everyone thinks Oxbridge and Harvard LLM is so easy to get in, I encourage you to apply.

Some local first classes (and by extension overseas first classes) are also not able to get in.

Unregistered 17-09-2022 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 230499)
If everyone thinks Oxbridge and Harvard LLM is so easy to get in, I encourage you to apply.

Some local first classes (and by extension overseas first classes) are also not able to get in.

we all see what you did there. They were criticizing the BCL. Not the Harvard LLM. Don’t try to make it seem like it’s one and the same thing.

Unregistered 17-09-2022 01:13 PM

s://.sal.org.sg/blog/2022-mohd-faizal-chenthil-kumarasingam

Saw this and I wonder what everyone’s view of a career in criminal practice Is, whether as a prosecutor or defence counsel. This suggests that it is rewarding but not sure if it is just marketing….


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