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Ronaldo 17-11-2009 11:36 AM

I am now only 28 years old working as Business Development Director in media agency and I am earning NETT $12K monthly excluding 3 to 4 K commissions with bonuses.

Can I ask if my salary is Ok??

Thanks
Ronaldo

Unregistered 26-11-2009 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 4957)
I am now only 28 years old working as Business Development Director in media agency and I am earning NETT $12K monthly excluding 3 to 4 K commissions with bonuses.

Can I ask if my salary is Ok??

Thanks
Ronaldo

It's too low, dude.

I'm a local, 26 this year, working as Business Development Director in media agency too and i'm already earning 25k monthly excluding transport allowance, housing allowances, bonuses and incentives etc. Btw, where do you get commission from?

FYI, my business development manager is already earning 18k monthly excluding all allowances.

You should quit your job and join my department. I still need a assistant business development manager. I'll pay you 15k monthly excluding all allowances.

They all report to me directly. You too, if you join me.

Don't worry, I'm a good boss. Leave your contacts.

Holy 12-12-2009 02:25 PM

Nowadays army only recruit those with accounting, business degree so that they can be posted to join the gov related companies or make the army into a business corporations. All other courses of study is unimportant.

Unregistered 30-12-2009 06:59 AM

The military is full of political games, just like most big corporations.

Unlike most big corporations, your higher-ups have a lot more power over you, far more power.

Survive the political games and you'll be handsomely rewarded. After a few years, you can pretty much determine your future there by your promotions and unit postings.

Unregistered 11-01-2010 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by army-- (Post 3628)
The armed forces offer a great career. Just look at their TV advertisements. Surely, if they can spend so much money producing such attractive TV commercials they must mean what they say.

Is that all you can say? That they have awesome commercials therefore their career is also awesome? Surely you must be more knowledgeable than that.

In any case, the SAF is a bad choice as a career option unless you're totally into the idea of taking up arms and being paid straight out of our tax money without contributing meaningfully to the economy. You will be competing with dirt-cheap NS labour, and that will basically lower your wages as it is cheaper to them to redistribute your work amongst the servicemen rather than you. Even if you get to a rank that has no NS men, they will find it cheaper to redistribute your work amongst lower-ranking NS officers than to pay you competitive market-rate salaries, unless you happen to be the top guy. Basically, that will lower the value of your own labour. Having that constant inflow of cheap NS labour is just like how an influx of low-wage Chinese immigrants can end up depressing wages in industries everywhere here.

You can try and argue that you have special qualities that NS men don't, but that only means that the NS men are somewhat less efficient at it. If you understand economics, you'll realise that no worker can claim total exclusivity in their job. Everything can be given a valuation in the end. Do you think that has stopped immigrant workers from competing from local labour, even though local workers can claim to have "better knowledge" of the local society? And given that NS men earn a lot less, it's so much cheaper for them to hire NS men. And all that, even though MINDEF takes up the largest budget allocation of all the ministries.

Unregistered 30-03-2010 02:25 PM

so is MDES scheme really good??
Any different from the past.
Any one are in MDES or Do u have friends/relative in MDES

Ruth Yaap 05-08-2010 09:44 AM

Salary of Adminstrative Officer at local university
 
Hi, I am wondering if any one knows how much does an Administrative Officer with about 13 years of working experience earn per month?

Unregistered 05-08-2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruth Yaap (Post 6811)
Hi, I am wondering if any one knows how much does an Administrative Officer with about 13 years of working experience earn per month?

if you're talking about the AOs in the elite admin service, the good ones with about 10+ years experience earn 300k to 400k a year.

Unregistered 08-10-2011 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 4917)
so how does the MDES works.

The new state that MDES also can recuit mid career professional.

So can someone age 40 join MDES??

Technically, can.
However, if you are applying for a post that's ME4 (Officer equivalent) and above, you may have to go through some leadership training, such as OCS. I think it is a truncated one, so it won't be the full 9 months.

The idea of MDES is to allow mid-stream recruitment to beef up the technical / engineering vocations in SAF.

Unregistered 08-10-2011 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 5071)
Is that all you can say? That they have awesome commercials therefore their career is also awesome? Surely you must be more knowledgeable than that.

In any case, the SAF is a bad choice as a career option unless you're totally into the idea of taking up arms and being paid straight out of our tax money without contributing meaningfully to the economy. You will be competing with dirt-cheap NS labour, and that will basically lower your wages as it is cheaper to them to redistribute your work amongst the servicemen rather than you. Even if you get to a rank that has no NS men, they will find it cheaper to redistribute your work amongst lower-ranking NS officers than to pay you competitive market-rate salaries, unless you happen to be the top guy. Basically, that will lower the value of your own labour. Having that constant inflow of cheap NS labour is just like how an influx of low-wage Chinese immigrants can end up depressing wages in industries everywhere here.

You can try and argue that you have special qualities that NS men don't, but that only means that the NS men are somewhat less efficient at it. If you understand economics, you'll realise that no worker can claim total exclusivity in their job. Everything can be given a valuation in the end. Do you think that has stopped immigrant workers from competing from local labour, even though local workers can claim to have "better knowledge" of the local society? And given that NS men earn a lot less, it's so much cheaper for them to hire NS men. And all that, even though MINDEF takes up the largest budget allocation of all the ministries.

you are missing the whole point. Defence is important to Singapore. Do you think we are able to do so well and punch above our weight in the international community in the absence of a credible defence force? The defence budget is necessary and important as it lays the foundation for all other national architectures.

It is precisely because many people do not fancy the idea of taking up arms that it is necessary to provide competitive renumeration to attract and retain talents.

Defence is also not something that you can outsource. So you should not bring in the issue of FTs in this context. Just look back at WWII for the best example of our outsourced defences, which did not last a week.


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