Civil Servant Year-End Bonus 2019
 

1.1 months for non-senior civil servants:

https://www.salary.sg/2019/civil-ser...2019-year-end/

Reposting my question on this thread. What "division" would MX 12 fall under?

Division 1 are degree holders.
Division 2 are diploma holders and A levels.
Division 3 are secondary school
Division 4 are primary school

MX10-MX13 get one-off payment of $250 (in addition to the 0.1). Tough year.

Worked for nearly 30 years in CS. Definitely one of the worst.

I am extremely angry because they are taking the CS for granted. How many times since late last year they made us do extra, over and on top, work late and weekends to rush things for certain persons, and now treat us like we can "cope" with the low payout. As if we were one of the superscalers.

Many degree holders are earning $3-4+k with families to support and mortgages to pay. This, along with the way they made a spectacle of out teachers with the carpark debacle shows how they really regard us. We are taken for granted.

I have been voting for 1 party for my whole life and defending them no matter what others said. No longer. Nothing stings harder than this betrayal.

oh pls, a typical MX12 (after passing 2 years probation, which is the norm now) earns on avg 4.5k to 5.5k, and it's nowhere close to your stated 3k to 4k.

dont just say "i will vote for this, i will vote for that." actions speak louder than words.

I dont know what to say. I am mx12 for 3 yrs...started from 3k+, now barely 4k.

I will vote the "alternative" next year.

Sucks big time.

No more pay increment. No salary revision since 2010.
Kids in the U, dorm and tuition fees costs $12k per year.
Things getting expensive. I spend $4 for every lunch time.

We are just the simple rank and file. F**k

what about ITE n Kindergarten?

Depends on the paper and what you signed up for.

It is all about perpective. We are in a profession that is largely recession-proof. That itself is something to be thankful for. If you been through the 2009 recession, you would know that when the economy went up again, they gave the CS some extra for the "hardship" endured during the 2009 bonus cut. Take a lot term view, and it will balance out in the end. Even though there are a lot of OT in CS, I never have to worry about getting fired. For a family man with a mortgage, I am truely thankful for the stability. Remember the same cannot be said for people in the private sector.

Hard work is compensated through your performance bonus and annual increment (assuming a non adverse grade). The mid and end year bonuses (excluding 13 month) is given based on Singapore economic performance. If SG earns less then we also earn less lor. When we budget our personal finances, have to assume that certain income are variable so adjust accordingly. All the best.

So entitled. Dont feel appreciated in your job then just change job like the rest of us in private sector, instead of whining about the PAP. So strange that the government is whining about the government. The rest of us dont have such a privilege. When we don't like our job we no choice but to look for new one.

CS performance this year has been quite lacking too. Look at all the ways they dropped the ball. You think the PMD riders whose jobs you have took away are happy? And dont try to siam and say its the politicians' fault, we all know public servants contribute and make these decisions too. Only in CS you will see these kind of entitlement. F up so many times but still somehow expect bonus. Your performance shouldnt be based on how many hours you work, but the results from what you do.

I don’t get the hatred and vitriol directed at CS - the anger and frustration goes beyond simply entitlement. Sure it’s easy to assume that in the private vs public debate, CS appears to have the “better deal”. But invalidating someone else’s anger is as pointless as a lack of constructive criticism.
Why would anyone think the whole CS is involved in the making of the PMD policy is beyond me.

The people who are complaining in this post need to walk the ground more. They have no idea how bad it is in many sectors.

The grass is greener on the other side.

The pte ppl will say CS have it lucky, still got bonus. But they will not join CS.
The CS will say the pte have it lucky, bonus more than 1.55. But they cannot take the demands of pte.

Wah are you joking? I have been to both places and the fact is that CS has got a lot more annual bonuses compared to pte/glc.

CS: mid year bonus, end year bonus, performance bonus, corporate bonus, 13th mth pay, and etc $$ benefits.

PTE/GLC: Performance bonus, 13th mth pay, some.. corporate bonus.

By comparing the performance bonus (PB) alone, CS already a clear winner. usually 2mths for the average.

Even the default annual leave provided in CS > PTE/GLC.

LOL @ CS complaining about receiving 0.1 mth bonus just for this year.

Just note that most private sector companies dont even have AWS. Only PB which can be just 1 month, more or less depending on company performance. And they work just as hard. This is just to give some perspective.

Most important thing is you have a stable and secured job in the civil service. In private sector, not many people have this security and stability.

Guess you are not one of the performing ones in pte

Guess the reply was not clear enough? The comparison was made by comparing an apple with an apple. i.e. to say, an average PB in CS vs. an average PB in PTE/GLC.

Starting Basic for uni fresh grad in PTE/GLC is also not paid to the market rate compared to CS, making the annual package so much more below the market rate in PTE/GLC.

Take for example (real life one) a fresh grad Engineer FCH scholar without NS was 4k in PTE/GLC (2017). In CS, it was at least 5k basic + specialist bonus of 800/mth with the same credential. With all the bonuses put into computation, you can clearly see that the diff is huge btw PTE/GLC and CS.

Just for info, I was offered an annual package of 59k in local PTE/GLC, compared to 99k (market rate as per govt's data) in CS. For a fresh grad engineering position.

lol where did u get 99k from? average fresh grad CS software engineer is only 4.2k. PTE and GLC is not be mixed. GLC is like a downgraded version of CS and PTE.

PTE software engineer for fresh grad is now 5k if u can pass the interview. Class of degree doesn't matter to them. They only trust their interview test.

Guess I can't really prove that to you here. Try asking engineers (your friends? I bet they will reveal such a sensitive figure especially if you are not from CS?) from DSTA, CAAS, and other stat board?

PTE can be a GLC (Govt-Linked Company), two of such places are NCS and ST engineering. If you want more PTE example which is also a GLC.... Singtel? lol

The degrees matters, for both places I been to. It decide ur starting basic.

99k is so low though. I'm 3yrs exp in data engineering and this year I'm already making 128k in pte. I'm not even one of the best ones.

Oh 128k also not high.. I guess if you sign on (army specialist) for uni fresh grad, can easily hit 128k package. or even higher. The salary is revealed on their career page I think, but the figure shown is excluding all bonuses.

Important is to be paid the market rate and with the right environment and culture I guess? When you are happy, you are more productive and in turn generate more profits or work done for the company and then you get more pay rise annually? The ideal case. lol

Well I didn't say my salary was high, but I'm willing to bet it's higher than many CS with the same years.

Can you show the link to the 128k career page?

Just do a google search? RSAF or SAF or the Navy career page? Saw it when I was looking for a career few years back. I applied and they rejected me because I was a PES C (labeled as useless?), thereafter they call me up for reservist for 5 years straight and more to come. lolll

The pay figures are also displayed at their career fair booth in NTU and NUS annually, if you visit one of them, you are sure to see 128k or more after doing some computation. Usually the basic are displayed, and its usually something like S$5788/mth to S$6828/mth basic, in a range depending on class of honors. You definitely need to take bonuses and $$ benefits into account for around 128k, more or less.

I think you need to provide more justifications rather than telling people to search themselves. Firstly, I only found that military fresh grad between 4k to 5.3k and not the amount u have mentioned. Wonder if the amount u have mentioned already included bonus.
Secondly, from what I have seen in this forum, there are always outliers in the data but generally, I think CS/PS are paid considerably well and I would say slightly above average (in terms of median). U can earn ridicously high salary at private COY but mostly earning lower than CS/PS.

Having been in both private and public sector, private definitely pays more on average.

However, public sector is a lot more stable (no retrenchment) and has better hours, which is why most of my peers took a paycut to enter public sector in their late 30s, early 40s.

That's my plan too! Could you share more on your friends' industry, and which stats board they join? Whats the paycut like?

Try to transition to stat boards or ministries with specialized schemes so that the paycut won't be as steep. I know of friends who went from banks to MAS, tech firms to GovTech/IMDA, consulting to DSTA, etc.

missing bonus
 

i just receive my pay. Couldnt see my bonus in it.
Missing 0.1 + $1400. Dafuq

Delayed? Tiagong MINDEF and a few others will only get their AVC + special payment on the 17th

What are some of the private company in Singapore that pays more than CS annually? Mind sharing? Take for example a fresh grad or an entry level position?

Goldman sachs.

There are too many examples to list, here's a few:

FAANG for tech companies, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, local banks for their tech and finance associate programs. GIC, Temasek. Fund management firms like Citadel, Fidelity, Blackrock, KKR. Management consulting firms like McKinsey, BCG, Bain, Deloitte and to a lesser extent tech consulting like Accenture.

This is not even counting the various mgmt associate programs for all the various MNCs in the oil & gas, aviation, pharma, FMCG, engineering, biomedical sectors. As you can see, the list is endless...

The list can be very useful if true figures (annual package) are included as well; for the entry level positions...

How come you got $1400?

Those in the lower salary quantum will get more AVC amount. Highest ones get $400 with no AVC.

Only received 1 mth + 0.1 + $400

What grade is this