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23-11-2016 05:21 PM
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Overplayed my hand maybe. Since when negotiating for a higher pay is an arrogant conduct?

The company is not interested in cheap talents from the budget they set and the prolonged interview process. Unless of course they duped the headhunter this way to get more candidates.
Erm... you spewed nasty things to the recruiter just because the company did not want to pay you the +20% you asked for. Is that not arrogance?

You are entitled to high ball your expectations just as the company is entitled to reject them and low ball back if they find cheaper alternatives. At the end of the day, the professional way is to negotiate and see if can meet half way. If not, just politely inform the company you would like to disengage and move on.

Take it in stride and learn to manage your emotions better next time. There is nothing wrong in negotiating for better pay, but going ballistic just because things don't go your way won't do you any good in the long run.

Hope you learn something from this.
23-11-2016 11:25 AM
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That's just a standard rejection reply. You probably overplayed your hand and thought you were way better than what the market thinks. I'm surprised you conducted yourself in such an arrogant manner when you already know most of your peers have lost their jobs due to overseas outsourcing.
Overplayed my hand maybe. Since when negotiating for a higher pay is an arrogant conduct?

The company is not interested in cheap talents from the budget they set and the prolonged interview process. Unless of course they duped the headhunter this way to get more candidates.
22-11-2016 11:49 PM
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what happened after that day was that, the headhunter went back to explain things and got the same reply from the company. Basically they considered me a job hopper. That really baffled me as nothing I have done indicated that I am a job hopper. Every job candidate would like the highest pay.
That's just a standard rejection reply. You probably overplayed your hand and thought you were way better than what the market thinks. I'm surprised you conducted yourself in such an arrogant manner when you already know most of your peers have lost their jobs due to overseas outsourcing.
22-11-2016 07:48 PM
anewbie what happened after that day was that, the headhunter went back to explain things and got the same reply from the company. Basically they considered me a job hopper. That really baffled me as nothing I have done indicated that I am a job hopper. Every job candidate would like the highest pay.
06-11-2016 04:49 PM
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used to be different, but now almost same.

recruiter used to be just "outsource HR" personnel who performed recruitment process
headhunter does little of what a recruiter does, instead, focuses on building their network of contacts in an industry so that they can locate a good candidate.

because of LinkedIn, a recruiter can easily build a network of contacts just like headhunter does, a headhunter is also required to perform HR function like screening and interviewing as a value-added service.

how they get paid is usually subject to the contract, mostly a fixed monthly fee + commission.
Nope that's the wrong layman misconception.

The main reason is many agencies like Robert Walters, hays, Hudson, Michael page etc are falsely branding themselves as headhunters. This causes a lot of confusion as you end up with typical junior / middle professionals earning less than 500k get approached by all sorts of 'headhunters'.

Real headhunters do not talk about stuff like salary budget, think long term for career, coordinate multiple meetings and candidates and openings at one go. Similarly most of their candidates are not in LinkedIn and randomly cold calling and messaging these execs will not work.

It's a different world.
06-11-2016 12:40 PM
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Same profession, but nature of their job differ quite greatly. A proper headhunter will have their commission already settled by the company who is hiring so they will find the best candidate for the job.

In this case, it's just a normal recruiting company hoping to get a cut of the candidate's salary as 'recommendation' fee.
used to be different, but now almost same.

recruiter used to be just "outsource HR" personnel who performed recruitment process
headhunter does little of what a recruiter does, instead, focuses on building their network of contacts in an industry so that they can locate a good candidate.

because of LinkedIn, a recruiter can easily build a network of contacts just like headhunter does, a headhunter is also required to perform HR function like screening and interviewing as a value-added service.

how they get paid is usually subject to the contract, mostly a fixed monthly fee + commission.
06-11-2016 12:27 AM
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Recruiter and head-hunter are just different words for the same profession. They only act in the interest of the company. salary negotiation is best done with the company directly.
Same profession, but nature of their job differ quite greatly. A proper headhunter will have their commission already settled by the company who is hiring so they will find the best candidate for the job.

In this case, it's just a normal recruiting company hoping to get a cut of the candidate's salary as 'recommendation' fee.
05-11-2016 09:39 PM
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Recruiter and head-hunter are just different words for the same profession. They only act in the interest of the company. salary negotiation is best done with the company directly.
That's like saying personal banker and private banker is the same profession. Correct to a small extent, but the level of interaction and the whole hiring process is completely different.
05-11-2016 09:29 PM
Unregistered Recruiter and head-hunter are just different words for the same profession. They only act in the interest of the company. salary negotiation is best done with the company directly.
04-11-2016 06:24 PM
Unregistered You fcuked the recruiter upside down and now regret also no use. Game over.
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