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Today 12:12 PM
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Agreed and just to add on, while there are more competitors in Singapore, it is easier to stand out with your credentials (insofar as it matters, which looking at the history of appointments I doubt) you're competing against 2.2s 2.1s and FCHs in Singapore versus a confined pool of FCH BCL in the UK.

Not sure what QC numbers are. 2021 - 2429 senior lawyers. Assume half do transactional work only (this is just for estimation, I also note Section 30(8) of the LPA as alluded to in previous posts) and only within the senior lawyer category. 94/1200 - 7.83% is my estimation without exact numbers. Only as a helpful but very rough figure.
Actually, itís a bit of a fallacy that barristers are all FCHs, BCL etc. Most of those who are not in London actually have very average even lower than average results from mid-tier schools. It is the London Chambers that require that profile. Check out any Manchester or Birmingham Chambers and you will see what I mean. Though truthfully it is also where all the QC appointments go. But keep that in mind when looking at the numbers so you donít assume every barrister has a UK public school FCH BCL background. They ímore often than not donít. But the ones we Singaporeans see overwhelmingly do. In the same way UK lawyers probably wonít know any of the HDB neighborhood lawyer but will know some of our top SCs.

In UK, this article: s://.thelawyerportal.com/barrister/what-is-a-queens-counsel-barrister-how-to-become-one/ suggests that ďAs of 2017, there were around 17,000 barristers in England and Wales, of which approximately 10% were QCsĒ. If we assume half of them are junior barristers as the above poster assumed with the SG bar, then 20% of senior barristers get appointed. Which is about three times more likely than Singapore if the above stats are correct. Take all of this with a lot of salt though as so much of what I stated and the previous poster stated is mired in speculation.
Today 11:32 AM
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Agreed and just to add on, while there are more competitors in Singapore, it is easier to stand out with your credentials (insofar as it matters, which looking at the history of appointments I doubt) you're competing against 2.2s 2.1s and FCHs in Singapore versus a confined pool of FCH BCL in the UK.

Not sure what QC numbers are. 2021 - 2429 senior lawyers. Assume half do transactional work only (this is just for estimation, I also note Section 30(8) of the LPA as alluded to in previous posts) and only within the senior lawyer category. 94/1200 - 7.83% is my estimation without exact numbers. Only as a helpful but very rough figure.
*numbers are for SCs. Should have spaced barred the estimation.
Today 11:31 AM
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A lot of wisdom in this. Iíve seen both QCs and SCs in action. Really quite mesmerizing. I donít think either is better or worse than the other in terms of standards but both were brilliant in their own ways.
Agreed and just to add on, while there are more competitors in Singapore, it is easier to stand out with your credentials (insofar as it matters, which looking at the history of appointments I doubt) you're competing against 2.2s 2.1s and FCHs in Singapore versus a confined pool of FCH BCL in the UK.

Not sure what QC numbers are. 2021 - 2429 senior lawyers. Assume half do transactional work only (this is just for estimation, I also note Section 30(8) of the LPA as alluded to in previous posts) and only within the senior lawyer category. 94/1200 - 7.83% is my estimation without exact numbers. Only as a helpful but very rough figure.
Today 11:08 AM
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If you do snag pupillage and tenancy, and should the stars align sufficiently for (1) you to last long enough in practice, (2) your clerks to throw interesting cases your way, and (3) you to acquit yourself well in arguing them, you may well just make QC.

Statistically, there is a higher chance of making QC than SC. There is a list of all appointed SCs ever. Contrast that with the no that get admitted as A&S here every year since they started appointing SCs. You have a better shot at winning toto.

The difficulty is even becoming a practising barrister in the first place. You have all the hurdles identified to clear, and they are neither wrong nor inconsiderable.

If you can, please watch QCs and SCs in action. Courts have public galleries, if you didn't already know, and the hearing lists are also public info. Go spend some time in the courts, watch how the masters work their magic, realise how much time/experience that that requires, and come away inspired to try yourself.
A lot of wisdom in this. Iíve seen both QCs and SCs in action. Really quite mesmerizing. I donít think either is better or worse than the other in terms of standards but both were brilliant in their own ways.
Today 11:03 AM
Unregistered If you do snag pupillage and tenancy, and should the stars align sufficiently for (1) you to last long enough in practice, (2) your clerks to throw interesting cases your way, and (3) you to acquit yourself well in arguing them, you may well just make QC.

Statistically, there is a higher chance of making QC than SC. There is a list of all appointed SCs ever. Contrast that with the no that get admitted as A&S here every year since they started appointing SCs. You have a better shot at winning toto.

The difficulty is even becoming a practising barrister in the first place. You have all the hurdles identified to clear, and they are neither wrong nor inconsiderable.

If you can, please watch QCs and SCs in action. Courts have public galleries, if you didn't already know, and the hearing lists are also public info. Go spend some time in the courts, watch how the masters work their magic, realise how much time/experience that that requires, and come away inspired to try yourself.
Today 09:54 AM
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If lawyers work till 2am and wake at 530am, why do they have time to post replies here?

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Behind the exodus of junior lawyers blah blah
Tldr - The more you whine, the more our Government will import more foreigners to replace you.
Today 09:51 AM
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Poster is asking how to improve his chances of becoming QC as an Asian. No one is saying BAME do not stand a chance. Itís about how to raise his/her chances.
While not a guarantee of success, the minimum is a Cambridge BA/LLM or Oxford BA/BCL.
After that itís your performance at the English bar.
In international arbitration circuits, itís great to be a QC but thatís also because there are more QCs around.
Marry some random white guy on the dole for his last name? Problem solved.
Today 09:07 AM
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I hope thatís not how you advise clients in real life, by focusing on his assumptions and entirely ignoring the legal issue your client actually poses.
I'm not advising clients now, am I?

The discussion moved from QC/SC percentages to chances of even securing pupilage as an Asian at first instance. I'm merely replying to that.
Today 08:43 AM
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Actually, for Asians, itís not actually as difficult to make Queen Counsel as we all make it seem. Iím surprised so many people here talk in a vacuum. Itís not easy certainly but not the Everest like challenge that so many here seem to portray it to be.

Source: s://.counselmagazine.co.uk/articles/changing-the-picture-diversity-at-silk-level
Iím the above poster - put the wrong link as source.

It should've been this source: s://.counselmagazine.co.uk/articles/who-gets-silk-2019

Sorry
Today 08:41 AM
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Poster is asking how to improve his chances of becoming QC as an Asian. No one is saying BAME do not stand a chance. Itís about how to raise his/her chances.
While not a guarantee of success, the minimum is a Cambridge BA/LLM or Oxford BA/BCL.
After that itís your performance at the English bar.
In international arbitration circuits, itís great to be a QC but thatís also because there are more QCs around.
Actually, for Asians, itís not actually as difficult to make Queen Counsel as we all make it seem. Iím surprised so many people here talk in a vacuum. Itís not easy certainly but not the Everest like challenge that so many here seem to portray it to be.

Source: s://.counselmagazine.co.uk/articles/changing-the-picture-diversity-at-silk-level
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