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23-08-2016 09:51 PM
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Ha ha to that. It will still be around the technical aspect of a research and laboratory no? It definitely isn't rotating into corporate function of a company. Dude, pharma don't pay you big bucks for you to learn on the job. You are being paid big bucks because you excel at your job (I hope!).
Not really, it's quite common for people to rotate different departments in big mncs. When you reach middle manager level (20-30k range) its leadership and strategy skills that count, not technical certs.
23-08-2016 04:52 PM
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Clearly, you don't know anything about pharma and is definitely not from pharma industry. Lab roles like chemist or microbio can move up to lab manager if you have the necessary skillset and experience. subsequently, will also have chance to rotate around different managerial role in different dept in the quality spectrum eg, like validation or compliance or even operations. Definitely don't need phd or masters to achieve that.
Ha ha to that. It will still be around the technical aspect of a research and laboratory no? It definitely isn't rotating into corporate function of a company. Dude, pharma don't pay you big bucks for you to learn on the job. You are being paid big bucks because you excel at your job (I hope!).
20-08-2016 08:25 PM
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16-08-2016 02:13 PM
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Times are changing. Even as the non-graduates are now being combined together with graduates scheme, the data for officers reaching MX9 will change as well. That being said, it is a misconception that people who join the civil service are those without ambition and drive.

Providing medicine but at what cost? How much do they sell them? It is of no value if your medicine can cure illness, but only to those who can afford them. And that is the reality of almost all big pharma companies. If you truly want to talk about those research, I believe basic research are the ones who attempt to solve those simple problems, that truly benefit the world. But of course, basic research usually resides in IHLs and research institutes funded by government or VWO, and are not that fixated on B2B. In pharma, it is all about the value to translate to an actual product no?

Btw QC/QA and the likes are niche areas, and usually people who are into those tend to specialize in them for years. I doubt it is your everyday event that a person can be rotated around lab and onto management/corporate track. Makes absolutely no sense as these are roles that are specialised, and once you've trained them, you hardly want to take them off elsewhere.

You can say that the government seems to be working more for PAP, but that is only because PAP is the ruling party. In truth, the system is such that regardless of the ruling party, Singapore will continue to function as per normal. The system truly is for the benefit of Singapore. But as with politics, it is inevitable that certain mileage be squeezed for political brownies.




Clearly, you don't know anything about pharma and is definitely not from pharma industry. Lab roles like chemist or microbio can move up to lab manager if you have the necessary skillset and experience. subsequently, will also have chance to rotate around different managerial role in different dept in the quality spectrum eg, like validation or compliance or even operations. Definitely don't need phd or masters to achieve that.
18-03-2016 09:41 AM
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24-11-2015 09:17 AM
Unregistered Btw, to the dude who says pharma creates medicine for the betterment of the world, please take a look at the latest news. Pfizer buying over Allergan. The ramifications include pushing up drug prices, and consolidating healthcare sector fields just to name a few.

Really? For the betterment of the world? Or to form a super big cartel to fight Norvartis? Either way we can see all this is profit driven.
23-11-2015 06:08 PM
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Except the science industry are paying well. Pharmaceutical pays good high starting pay and have good progression. Most people are just not interested because its mostly repetitive lab work. Researchers are paid darn well. Physics and maths are in super high demand especially for those good in stats and other analytical methods due to the sudden interest in big data.

Going to the government sector is the dumbest thing you can do as any graduate unless you are a scholar. If you are not on the scholar tread, your performance does not matter as you can never exceed a certain rank and pay. It is for those without ambition or drive to work and just want a iron rice bowl to work till they grow old.
Either u dont live in Singapore or u r going all out to troll
23-11-2015 05:07 PM
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Which is my point. You don't need PhD to rise up the rank through labwork. PhD or master is not a requirement for labwork. Go look at the lead for the labs. Most or non of them have PhD. Experience is more important. Loads of people do not do their postgrad after graduation for a variety of reason, which is why they do labwork or basic research in the first place. Hence the sponsorship is a good way for progression if you ever want.

I am not saying it is impossible to reach, I'm just telling you that mx9 comprise of 1.2% of the civil service workforce. Yes, this is the stats released by the govt. So for every 100 person, there is around 1 mx9. Are you it is a matter of time before you will reach it.

Lab work is grunt work, a necessity to go into management role. There are tons of management opportunity moving through QC, QA or lab roles. Like I stated in the first post, civil service is for those without ambition and drive and just want a stable work life till the end. Which is exactly what you are describing, no risk, no worries, just slowly working towards your final ranking. Now of course if you are an average performer this might look like a tempting proposal but do realise what you are getting into before signing up.

Of course profit come first for a company. But the mere fact that they are providing medicine is creating a better world. imagine a world without antibiotics or basic simple cure for common diseases. If you want to go into schematics, civil services and stat board works for the PAP more than for Singapore, and is technically for the betterment of the elites than Singapore as a whole. But then I'll be digressing into politics.
Times are changing. Even as the non-graduates are now being combined together with graduates scheme, the data for officers reaching MX9 will change as well. That being said, it is a misconception that people who join the civil service are those without ambition and drive.

Providing medicine but at what cost? How much do they sell them? It is of no value if your medicine can cure illness, but only to those who can afford them. And that is the reality of almost all big pharma companies. If you truly want to talk about those research, I believe basic research are the ones who attempt to solve those simple problems, that truly benefit the world. But of course, basic research usually resides in IHLs and research institutes funded by government or VWO, and are not that fixated on B2B. In pharma, it is all about the value to translate to an actual product no?

Btw QC/QA and the likes are niche areas, and usually people who are into those tend to specialize in them for years. I doubt it is your everyday event that a person can be rotated around lab and onto management/corporate track. Makes absolutely no sense as these are roles that are specialised, and once you've trained them, you hardly want to take them off elsewhere.

You can say that the government seems to be working more for PAP, but that is only because PAP is the ruling party. In truth, the system is such that regardless of the ruling party, Singapore will continue to function as per normal. The system truly is for the benefit of Singapore. But as with politics, it is inevitable that certain mileage be squeezed for political brownies.
23-11-2015 04:44 PM
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I never say labwork requires PhD. I merely stated to rise up through the ranks doing labwork, you will require PhD. Almost all people who wish to do Masters/PhD will be able to get sponsorship easily from the Universities (if their Bachelor's result ain't that bad), so there's no need to get sponsorship from the companies. Unless we are talking about MBA and the likes (beyond research degrees).

It is very possible to hit MX9 even if you are a non-scholar, before you retire. I know many who are already MX10 before 10 years, all of them non-scholars. So yes, it is realistically possible to reach 10-15k a month for all graduates who grind their way up in the government. The only differentiating factor is the time required for you to reach that bracket.

I would assume it is harder for any personnel working in the lab to ever cross over and climb up the corporate ladder, where the big bucks lie. I have no doubt that if you ever reach management level, your salary will be much more than those who are in the government service. But the question is, can you make it? Compared to those in the civil service.. well it seems easier.

And if you do work in pharma and healthcare industries (private), you will know that bottom line profit comes first. There is no such thing as betterment of the world through healthcare. That is marketing crap for branding only. You know as well as I do how big pharma listens to their board of directors.
Which is my point. You don't need PhD to rise up the rank through labwork. PhD or master is not a requirement for labwork. Go look at the lead for the labs. Most or non of them have PhD. Experience is more important. Loads of people do not do their postgrad after graduation for a variety of reason, which is why they do labwork or basic research in the first place. Hence the sponsorship is a good way for progression if you ever want.

I am not saying it is impossible to reach, I'm just telling you that mx9 comprise of 1.2% of the civil service workforce. Yes, this is the stats released by the govt. So for every 100 person, there is around 1 mx9. Are you it is a matter of time before you will reach it.

Lab work is grunt work, a necessity to go into management role. There are tons of management opportunity moving through QC, QA or lab roles. Like I stated in the first post, civil service is for those without ambition and drive and just want a stable work life till the end. Which is exactly what you are describing, no risk, no worries, just slowly working towards your final ranking. Now of course if you are an average performer this might look like a tempting proposal but do realise what you are getting into before signing up.

Of course profit come first for a company. But the mere fact that they are providing medicine is creating a better world. imagine a world without antibiotics or basic simple cure for common diseases. If you want to go into schematics, civil services and stat board works for the PAP more than for Singapore, and is technically for the betterment of the elites than Singapore as a whole. But then I'll be digressing into politics.
23-11-2015 04:18 PM
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Labwork does not require PhD, and progress in the labwork direction does not require you to have PhD. Researching would benefit from PhD and masters. Nonetheless almost all pharma company will be willing to sponsor your further education in return for a small bond. Ergo, with industry experience, you are able to get your master/PhD even if you do not qualify now and is a direction of growth for you in the company.

Management post in pharma all command pretty high pay similar to other industry, which should be what you are comparing to for top performer. A MX9 in civil service is 10-15k, and they comprise of only 1.2% of the civil service. Think about that, you must be top what, 2-3% at most, to qualify for 10-15k a month. So no, it is not highly possible to reach 15-20k pm even if you are a good performer. Cause A, civil service don't care about performance, and B, the pay is not that high anyway. And that is after years of work. Any management/senior management in pharma or any industry will top that easily.

And pharma is for the betterment of the whole world through providing healthcare, if you want to talk about value of work.
I never say labwork requires PhD. I merely stated to rise up through the ranks doing labwork, you will require PhD. Almost all people who wish to do Masters/PhD will be able to get sponsorship easily from the Universities (if their Bachelor's result ain't that bad), so there's no need to get sponsorship from the companies. Unless we are talking about MBA and the likes (beyond research degrees).

It is very possible to hit MX9 even if you are a non-scholar, before you retire. I know many who are already MX10 before 10 years, all of them non-scholars. So yes, it is realistically possible to reach 10-15k a month for all graduates who grind their way up in the government. The only differentiating factor is the time required for you to reach that bracket.

I would assume it is harder for any personnel working in the lab to ever cross over and climb up the corporate ladder, where the big bucks lie. I have no doubt that if you ever reach management level, your salary will be much more than those who are in the government service. But the question is, can you make it? Compared to those in the civil service.. well it seems easier.

And if you do work in pharma and healthcare industries (private), you will know that bottom line profit comes first. There is no such thing as betterment of the world through healthcare. That is marketing crap for branding only. You know as well as I do how big pharma listens to their board of directors.
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