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25-07-2015 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 1q2s3c View Post
Thank you everyone for your earnest reply.

I believed the conversation had run its due course.

Likewise, I believed people misunderstood me for going / aiming just mainly on MAP course. With that respect, I am one who feels that a MAP program would give potential candidate a feel and understanding what one might need in terms of career placement. Like many, how many of us actually know what we want and what we like?

Maybe, a little brief history on myself before you passed judgment. I do not have the luxury of many, sliverspoon rich parents and the likes. Used to be a delinquent(unfortunately, and not very proud of). I work my ass off during my poly days to finance my own school fee. Of course, my grades couldn't enable me to get myself into the local Uni. Starting schooling during my army days and got a job right after I ord.

I figure that taking a FT and PT SIM degree doesn't really matter. At the end of the day, I would rather learn the ropes while financing my own school fee rather than attending a FT course and enjoy life. There is the cost opportunities which I would like to bridge.

In terms of core competencies, I reckon that I'm not that much different from the local grad. For the records from past experience, I have never failed to secure a job if I've gotten the interview. The difficult part for me is seeking for that interview. I guess pretty much is down to the fact that I'm outspoken, I can sell myself(with proper testimonial etc) and how I carried myself.

The fact remains that on paper, my resume does not help me in much ways to my academic background.

Back to the main point. Yes, its true SIM are inferior compared to local Uni. But you have to agree to some extent that the world are changing. My thread conversation is asking for advice / opinions. But some came charging with a guerilla warfare attitude on how useless SIM is. If you don't call that myopic then what should you call it?

Anyway, I seen either end of the spectrum with regards to local Uni or SIM grads pay. To each its own. What I don't get is, simply, given my current situation, what kind of advice could you guys give? Not start a debate on local UNI and SIM.

Think about it for a second. Have you really answered the question? Or did you fulfilled your own ego at the expense of others?
There is only one true market reality out there, going on and on about your personal opinion on how the market should be, telling us your personal life story and family history leading to your taking a pt degree is frankly pointless.

End of the day, you don't get the job. That is all there is to it. You seem to think that by going on & on in online discussions somehow someone out there will be able to give you "advice" to defy market reality. Not going to happen, most of us don't know and the 0.1% one who know isn't going to share trade secrets with some anonymous online dude he/she cannot even put a face to.

Wake up bro!
25-07-2015 01:39 PM
Unregistered First question in MAP phone interview (in the 1% chance you already got a call):

"why do you choose to apply to this program?"

Your answer:

"get a feel and understanding what one might need in terms of career placement. Like many, how many of us actually know what we want and what we like?

Immediate failure.

That is exactly the problem. That is what an internship is. Not an MAP program.

You have already missed the boat by years. Other people have done multiple internships, know what they want already, and taken the appropriate modules that help them gain an edge.

Your only hope is that you are already working in a financial institution. Go and talk to people in different departments. Ask for an internal transfer. You are supposedly the guy who can sell himself. Figure out what you really want right now.

If you are already in the final year, you should have already applied to those MAP programs. Not wait until you graduate, where upon you missed the boat, twice.

Get your CFA level 1 or ACCA.

There are so many things you have to do and you haven done.

Hence the conclusion that you simply have no chance.



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Originally Posted by 1q2s3c View Post
Thank you everyone for your earnest reply.

I believed the conversation had run its due course.

Likewise, I believed people misunderstood me for going / aiming just mainly on MAP course. With that respect, I am one who feels that a MAP program would give potential candidate a feel and understanding what one might need in terms of career placement. Like many, how many of us actually know what we want and what we like?

Maybe, a little brief history on myself before you passed judgment. I do not have the luxury of many, sliverspoon rich parents and the likes. Used to be a delinquent(unfortunately, and not very proud of). I work my ass off during my poly days to finance my own school fee. Of course, my grades couldn't enable me to get myself into the local Uni. Starting schooling during my army days and got a job right after I ord.

I figure that taking a FT and PT SIM degree doesn't really matter. At the end of the day, I would rather learn the ropes while financing my own school fee rather than attending a FT course and enjoy life. There is the cost opportunities which I would like to bridge.

In terms of core competencies, I reckon that I'm not that much different from the local grad. For the records from past experience, I have never failed to secure a job if I've gotten the interview. The difficult part for me is seeking for that interview. I guess pretty much is down to the fact that I'm outspoken, I can sell myself(with proper testimonial etc) and how I carried myself.

The fact remains that on paper, my resume does not help me in much ways to my academic background.

Back to the main point. Yes, its true SIM are inferior compared to local Uni. But you have to agree to some extent that the world are changing. My thread conversation is asking for advice / opinions. But some came charging with a guerilla warfare attitude on how useless SIM is. If you don't call that myopic then what should you call it?

Anyway, I seen either end of the spectrum with regards to local Uni or SIM grads pay. To each its own. What I don't get is, simply, given my current situation, what kind of advice could you guys give? Not start a debate on local UNI and SIM.

Think about it for a second. Have you really answered the question? Or did you fulfilled your own ego at the expense of others?
25-07-2015 12:38 PM
Dude333 I'm a fresh grad from local uni currently getting an offer from MNC as assistant manager. They offer me 3,5k (nego). I can probably get 3,8k - 4k at most. The salary is okay for me, but I am not sure if this is the job that I really want to do. I actually prefer to get into IT industries, but I'm not majoring in computing.

I got some offers from SMEs but the salary is not that high (3k at most). I'm still confused which offer should I choose right now.
24-07-2015 11:02 PM
Unregistered amazing forum "discussion" here. Everyone reach their own conclusion of TS and then moving onwards to all typical youngster.

Encouraging message to TS leads to another SIM clown. Now I guess I am another SIM clown who never study at SIM but earn the SIM degree, thanks guys!
24-07-2015 09:06 AM
Unregistered The genuine advice is that it will be hard to get in. Local uni grads already have stiff competition, especially with the overseas graduates and the FTs. A SIM grad puts you further down the ladder. Not to mention getting into FO is about connections. Look at how SMU students get the better jobs with poorer qualifications. They have a strong alumni who use their connections to help their own graduates.
24-07-2015 08:56 AM
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We have given our advice and opinion: ur chance of getting into MAP is almost zero, and u will save urself a lot of time by focusing on other positions.

U r the one who cannot accept it.
I love the use of "our" here to substantiate. The downs is strong in this one.
24-07-2015 07:33 AM
Unregistered We have given our advice and opinion: ur chance of getting into MAP is almost zero, and u will save urself a lot of time by focusing on other positions.

U r the one who cannot accept it.
24-07-2015 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 1q2s3c View Post
Back to the main point. Yes, its true SIM are inferior compared to local Uni. But you have to agree to some extent that the world are changing. My thread conversation is asking for advice / opinions. But some came charging with a guerilla warfare attitude on how useless SIM is. If you don't call that myopic then what should you call it?

Anyway, I seen either end of the spectrum with regards to local Uni or SIM grads pay. To each its own. What I don't get is, simply, given my current situation, what kind of advice could you guys give? Not start a debate on local UNI and SIM.

Think about it for a second. Have you really answered the question? Or did you fulfilled your own ego at the expense of others?
You over-reacted. It is as simple as that. No one "came charging [at you] with a guerilla warfare attitude on how useless SIM is.

People, or at least those on the first page before things got more heated later, offered you genuine evaluation and assessment of your chances of getting into MAP. There was nothing "myopic" with what they commented. Yet, you failed to take them graciously, and you subsequently retaliated with a snide remark. That set things off. If you don't believe or concur with what I just wrote, please revisit page 1 and have a look yourself.

Note: I have not posted a single time on this thread so I would say I am completely clear of any bias whatsoever.

Anyway, back to offering genuine advice, if you still require it. The chance of you getting into the local banks' MAP or bulge brackets' FO positions (please note that bulge brackets generally do not offer MAPs; they do mostly, if not entirely, direct hires) is almost zero. Hard truth. And this is coming from someone who is in the know, trust me. In 99% of the instances, local banks' MAP or bulge brackets' FO positions do not take in private university students.

What I would advice, or strongly encourage, you to do would be to seek a direct hire or contract position at the local bank. All three local banks are expanding their head count very rapidly. The expansion may not take place at the most sought-after divisions or the division that you are after, but take it as a stepping stone. Local banks practise internal mobility; after you work for a certain period there, and you prove yourself to be a capable worker, you then seek a transfer to a department that you truly want to be at (subject to availability in headcount then).

Hope that helps. All the best bro.

P.S. Not everyone is against you, please don't have such a mentality.
23-07-2015 11:14 PM
1q2s3c Also, not sure if you guys had venture into other forums and overseas forum. There seems to be an unnerving contrast to the tone between Singaporeans and others.

Be it general forum, automobile, to general discussion. There is this hatred-egoistic attitude about Singaporean. The attitude of "I must be better than you, I know you don't know, I had more experience than you so I sure win" is damn bloody disgusting and something im not proud of as a Singaporean.

Maybe, just maybe because we live in a highly competitive environment. Still I strongly believe that we shouldn't override humanity for our own ego.
23-07-2015 11:06 PM
1q2s3c Thank you everyone for your earnest reply.

I believed the conversation had run its due course.

Likewise, I believed people misunderstood me for going / aiming just mainly on MAP course. With that respect, I am one who feels that a MAP program would give potential candidate a feel and understanding what one might need in terms of career placement. Like many, how many of us actually know what we want and what we like?

Maybe, a little brief history on myself before you passed judgment. I do not have the luxury of many, sliverspoon rich parents and the likes. Used to be a delinquent(unfortunately, and not very proud of). I work my ass off during my poly days to finance my own school fee. Of course, my grades couldn't enable me to get myself into the local Uni. Starting schooling during my army days and got a job right after I ord.

I figure that taking a FT and PT SIM degree doesn't really matter. At the end of the day, I would rather learn the ropes while financing my own school fee rather than attending a FT course and enjoy life. There is the cost opportunities which I would like to bridge.

In terms of core competencies, I reckon that I'm not that much different from the local grad. For the records from past experience, I have never failed to secure a job if I've gotten the interview. The difficult part for me is seeking for that interview. I guess pretty much is down to the fact that I'm outspoken, I can sell myself(with proper testimonial etc) and how I carried myself.

The fact remains that on paper, my resume does not help me in much ways to my academic background.

Back to the main point. Yes, its true SIM are inferior compared to local Uni. But you have to agree to some extent that the world are changing. My thread conversation is asking for advice / opinions. But some came charging with a guerilla warfare attitude on how useless SIM is. If you don't call that myopic then what should you call it?

Anyway, I seen either end of the spectrum with regards to local Uni or SIM grads pay. To each its own. What I don't get is, simply, given my current situation, what kind of advice could you guys give? Not start a debate on local UNI and SIM.

Think about it for a second. Have you really answered the question? Or did you fulfilled your own ego at the expense of others?
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