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26-11-2014 08:51 PM
Unregistered I suggest everyone ignore this smantha_wong fellow. If you do a quick search for all her post, most of it is very dubious so far:

1) Complain about HR too many questions
2) Complain about how candidates no ethics negotiate using competing offers
3) Complain about being offered only $6k instead of $6.5k on the phone (sounds suspicious to me that anyone would offer an unemployed junior staff 52% higher)
4) Complain whether HR can check her reference and last drawn salary (why worry unless her disclosures are not truthful?)
5) Complain about latest offer too low for her liking
26-11-2014 08:33 PM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
My 2 cents:

a. HR is right is lowballing the salary. But this creates discontent. Samantha may quit before long.

b. Salary should be paid based on the job content and candidate's abilities. Just becoz someone is unemployed today does not meen "push salary down".
We can only be sure if Samantha gives more information, like why did she quit or lose her job before, etc.

Note that in her first post, she put it as "lost her job" and not quit her job. That's 2 very different things and if it's "lost her job", we would need to understand why she lost it in the first place to be able to come to a proper and valid conclusion.

But for most ppl, if you have "lost your job", it means that you are deemed not useful to the company and there must be some reason for that, either you are overpaid or not contributing enough, hence the offer with a lower pay afterwards
26-11-2014 08:26 PM
Brian
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Originally Posted by samantha_wong View Post
Hi,
I just landed a job with a local bank. I have been without job for a while. I think the HR is trying to lowball me. They are paying me less than what I was drawing before I lost my job. Very bluntly this HR manager told me 'take it or leave it. we know that you have no choice in todays market'.

Of course i need a job. but at least the local banks should not lowball employees. if i start my job dissatisfied how effectiveness will i be? what do others say?
I think you need to be humble especially when you are jobless for some months already. First you complain that HR ask too many questions in an earlier post making a big drama out of something simple, now you make noise about them not matching your last known salary.

Technically your last drawn salary is $0, not $4300. At the end of the day there is nothing in this world that say that any offer should at least be the same as your last job before you become unemployed.

Looking at your salary even if you are still in your last job, you are just a very junior associate at best, spend more time to build up your credentials and network rather than taking offence over all sorts of things. I'm not sure how fantastic you are in real work life, but honestly till now your online persona is far from being great.
26-11-2014 06:53 PM
Jennifer
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
u have been without a job for months and ppl are offering u 3.8k and you still think it is being lowball, WOW!

if you are holding onto a good job and want to move on, then that can be considered lowball, but this ? Like the HR said, it's really take it or leave it for you.
My 2 cents:

a. HR is right is lowballing the salary. But this creates discontent. Samantha may quit before long.

b. Salary should be paid based on the job content and candidate's abilities. Just becoz someone is unemployed today does not meen "push salary down".
26-11-2014 05:55 PM
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u have been without a job for months and ppl are offering u 3.8k and you still think it is being lowball, WOW!

if you are holding onto a good job and want to move on, then that can be considered lowball, but this ? Like the HR said, it's really take it or leave it for you.
26-11-2014 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by lazyplane View Post
One thing i learnt about HR and salary, it is not a personal decision while it may feel like it . eg based on what you said, you think the HR and or its manager decided to low ball you.

HR in most organisations are just doing their job. There are many scenarios that HR has to consider eg

Suppose you are in that bank and new hire just join with higher pay with similar skill set ? Wouldnt you also blame HR for not keeping internal equity?

Finally, you mentioned effectiveness and job dissatisfaction.
Do u mean that you are already dis satisfied with your job because of your offer ? and prefer to be jobless ?
yea i think so too. Any HR professional would have seat down to discuss with relevant parties ie hiring manager, dept head etc to come up with an offer. Internal equity is also something out of their control. Maybe you would like to find out the rate for that position first to determine if they are low balling you or if its the legit market rate
26-11-2014 05:20 PM
Unregistered Such a sucky attitude. This type of attitude is not going to get you anywhere.
26-11-2014 05:13 PM
Unregistered Fair comment.

I find that at the end of the day the guy deciding on your pay package and job is another employee. Unless he is the owner of the business, he does not stand to gain financially. He may be saving cost for the company as part of his KPI to keep his unit expenses low, but he is not gaining anything directly.

I would advise that you dont take this job if you are going in with a negative mindset. Wait until you are desperate enough for a job / money then get back to work. Then I believe your attitude would be one of gratitude.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
they are not trying to lowball u, is jus demand and supply. they dare to say take it or leave it means they can easily get another candidate to replace u.

u can choose to be productive and show them that u are worth more. OR, u can let ur dissatisfaction affect ur productivity and get replaced.
26-11-2014 05:03 PM
lazyplane
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Originally Posted by samantha_wong View Post
Hi,
I just landed a job with a local bank. I have been without job for a while. I think the HR is trying to lowball me. They are paying me less than what I was drawing before I lost my job. Very bluntly this HR manager told me 'take it or leave it. we know that you have no choice in todays market'.

Of course i need a job. but at least the local banks should not lowball employees. if i start my job dissatisfied how effectiveness will i be? what do others say?


One thing i learnt about HR and salary, it is not a personal decision while it may feel like it . eg based on what you said, you think the HR and or its manager decided to low ball you.

HR in most organisations are just doing their job. There are many scenarios that HR has to consider eg

Suppose you are in that bank and new hire just join with higher pay with similar skill set ? Wouldnt you also blame HR for not keeping internal equity?

Finally, you mentioned effectiveness and job dissatisfaction.
Do u mean that you are already dis satisfied with your job because of your offer ? and prefer to be jobless ?
26-11-2014 04:52 PM
Unregistered they are not trying to lowball u, is jus demand and supply. they dare to say take it or leave it means they can easily get another candidate to replace u.

u can choose to be productive and show them that u are worth more. OR, u can let ur dissatisfaction affect ur productivity and get replaced.
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