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14-08-2014 04:20 PM
SOD
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Originally Posted by Fearoftheunknown View Post
I actually worked for the past 2 yrs, just that it's on contract basis and as a private tutor. Both are nothing much I know. I was only actively looking for jobs starting this yr only.

Anyway, I have decided to accept the job offer despite the low pay. I think the main aim for me right now is to gain the necessary marketing experience that is needed to boost my portfolio. If there's any one stage in my life I have to pay my dues and start low, I rather now when I am still young and inexperienced, then in my 30s & 40s.
Good for you.

Unfortunately from a CV perspective, giving tuition and working on hourly piecemeal basis is as good as no job, so in that sense I think your taking up the job would be a "best of worst" scenario start to your career.

Good luck and all the best.
14-08-2014 12:51 PM
Fearoftheunknown
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Oh dear, I was under the impression you were a fresh grad who has been looking for a job for 4-5 months.

Since you already graduated in 2012, then I strongly recommend you take up the job. Don't waste time on senselss hypothetical discussion on what pay should be like. At least you have some sort of employment to show in the future. A diploma pay looks better in CV than being blank sheet unemployed for a few years right?

Take up the job and gain some experience first. After that, try and seek help in CV or interview. I suspect something wrong, usually shouldn't be so long cannot get a job as the job market is still quite benign now.
I actually worked for the past 2 yrs, just that it's on contract basis and as a private tutor. Both are nothing much I know. I was only actively looking for jobs starting this yr only.

Anyway, I have decided to accept the job offer despite the low pay. I think the main aim for me right now is to gain the necessary marketing experience that is needed to boost my portfolio. If there's any one stage in my life I have to pay my dues and start low, I rather now when I am still young and inexperienced, then in my 30s & 40s.
14-08-2014 12:43 PM
Fearoftheunknown
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Well the guy is out of job for 2 years already, even if the company is small and pay not good what else can he do, wait around at home for another 2 years?

I think dragging the unemployment will just make the situation even worse. How will he ever get a job in the future after being unemployed for 3 years since leaving school?
First of all, I am a female. Secondly while I did not secure any perm jobs during the 2 years, however I was not idle waiting at home. I did earn money during "wilderness" period, which I will elaborate more below.


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May I ask what u have been doing for 2 years after u graduated in 2012? U mentioned u have 9 months HR experience. Was that ur first job?
I graduated on Aug 20120. After graduation I was working as a FT private tutor for a year. After that I was offered a contract job to work in HR for half a year. Subsequently my contract was extended and renewed for another 2 months. You can say that the HR job is my first official job after graduation, though some companies do not look at it that way cos it pays per hour basis. Looking at the timeline, I was only out of job for the last 4-5 months?!

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that is not even dip pay... a full time admin with ite cert can earn that amount. the reason y u r being offered the position is probably bcos no dip holder wan it either as it does not mafike sense for a coy to hire a deg grad knowing that he has much higher chance of finding better offer elsewhere in the near future.
I believed I was the company's first choice for candidate, even though I was overqualified for the position I was interviewing for. Some users here mentioned that diploma holder's pay is not as low as what I am being offered, but I thought $1.5 is standard pay for business admin students? I know that those in science/engineering/finance was offered more.

To digress, I was working as an assistant secretary after poly in 2009, and guess what? I was only being paid $1150. The justification given by my previous boss was I did not have experience despite a poly graduate *roll eyes*. It's only administrative work what, need so much experience to get higher pay meh?! I realised I don't have much luck when it comes to salary negotiation. Always get shot down by shitty reasons like this.
14-08-2014 02:33 AM
Unregistered that is not even dip pay... a full time admin with ite cert can earn that amount. the reason y u r being offered the position is probably bcos no dip holder wan it either as it does not make sense for a coy to hire a deg grad knowing that he has much higher chance of finding better offer elsewhere in the near future.

work on ur interviewing skills and have other ppl take a look at ur resume to open more door for urself.
14-08-2014 01:34 AM
Unregistered May I ask what u have been doing for 2 years after u graduated in 2012? U mentioned u have 9 months HR experience. Was that ur first job?

Pay is indeed very low. But if u have no other job offers at the moment, I would suggest u take it. U can survive with $1k take home pay for ur own expenses and it's better gaining some experience than none at all.
14-08-2014 12:01 AM
Unregistered
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your situation is very jialat. Even if you like marketing, I really think you shd reconsider accepting because the job offer is much lower than diploma's starting pay. Fews to consider


1) How about the benefits they provide? sometimes the benefits are impt too , such as allowance, no of vacation leave or claims.

2) What company is this? Got brand or not? Is there potential for this company to grow strong? Do research on this company. I suspect if offering only 1.5k for even dip fresh grad, this company seem small.

3) Are you able to survive if you reject this offer? How about considering other job field? You can always request for internal transfer if you do well in the position. Do not juz focus on marketing.

The reality for accepting the job offer is you will start to complain about your low salary as soon as you start working. You will not stay long and this gonna affect future employers' impression. And surely $1.5k will affect you future career as you can't put much higher expected salary in your job.

Do think properly. If possible, negotiate your salary with them. or at least benefits.
Well the guy is out of job for 2 years already, even if the company is small and pay not good what else can he do, wait around at home for another 2 years?

Also nobody will entertain negotiation on benefits, these are just fixed across the company. Company cannot suddenly grant someone a few days extra leave or more MC reimbursement, it doesn't work like that.

I think dragging the unemployment will just make the situation even worse. How will he ever get a job in the future after being unemployed for 3 years since leaving school?
13-08-2014 10:57 PM
Unregistered your situation is very jialat. Even if you like marketing, I really think you shd reconsider accepting because the job offer is much lower than diploma's starting pay. Fews to consider


1) How about the benefits they provide? sometimes the benefits are impt too , such as allowance, no of vacation leave or claims.

2) What company is this? Got brand or not? Is there potential for this company to grow strong? Do research on this company. I suspect if offering only 1.5k for even dip fresh grad, this company seem small.

3) Are you able to survive if you reject this offer? How about considering other job field? You can always request for internal transfer if you do well in the position. Do not juz focus on marketing.

The reality for accepting the job offer is you will start to complain about your low salary as soon as you start working. You will not stay long and this gonna affect future employers' impression. And surely $1.5k will affect you future career as you can't put much higher expected salary in your job.

Do think properly. If possible, negotiate your salary with them. or at least benefits.
13-08-2014 05:31 PM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Fearoftheunknown View Post
I actually been to a quite a no. of interviews, just that I am either not short-listed to the next round, or not selected at all. I am not exactly a fresh grad either, considering that I graduated in 2012, thus cannot omit the job in the resume and tell future employers I went for holiday. I am simply not sure how long I can go on like this, waiting and waiting. Do you think it's best that I accept the job offer despite the less than favourable pay?
from my working experience there is a distinction in GLCs and CS between diploma and degree holder positions. of course these positions are very different, eg a Marketing Exec/AM/Manager (degree) could have bigger responsibilities and staff reporting to him/her while a Marketing Asst/Officer/Exec (dip) will have a reduced job scope and not so much responsibilities. MNCs and SMEs are more willing to accept work experience in lieu of paper qualifications.

are you a local or foreign uni grad? if you have been searching for a job since 2012 then i'll say grab it. if not then hang in there and look for a better paying one.

all the best.
13-08-2014 05:26 PM
SOD
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Originally Posted by Fearoftheunknown View Post
I actually been to a quite a no. of interviews, just that I am either not short-listed to the next round, or not selected at all. I am not exactly a fresh grad either, considering that I graduated in 2012, thus cannot omit the job in the resume and tell future employers I went for holiday. I am simply not sure how long I can go on like this, waiting and waiting. Do you think it's best that I accept the job offer despite the less than favourable pay?
Oh dear, I was under the impression you were a fresh grad who has been looking for a job for 4-5 months.

Since you already graduated in 2012, then I strongly recommend you take up the job. Don't waste time on senselss hypothetical discussion on what pay should be like. At least you have some sort of employment to show in the future. A diploma pay looks better in CV than being blank sheet unemployed for a few years right?

Take up the job and gain some experience first. After that, try and seek help in CV or interview. I suspect something wrong, usually shouldn't be so long cannot get a job as the job market is still quite benign now.
13-08-2014 03:26 PM
Fearoftheunknown
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Originally Posted by SOD View Post
I think all these theoretical talk about how much you should be paid as a degree or diploma is pointless. What you get offered is reality and that for you unfortunately is $1.5k so far into your job search. Postulating on how much you are "supposed" to be paid is pointless and waste of time.

To me whether to accept or not depends on 2 factors:

#1 - How desperate are you? Do you need the money urgently?
#2 - How many interviews do you have so far? Do you need to head down for interviews frequently?

If you are desperate, well you don't really have a choice rite?

If you have been attending interviews frequently then perhaps you should reject as once you take up a full time job it is hard to "disappear" to attend these interviews. You don't want to give up good opportunities because you are stuck in the current job.

However if you haven't been getting much interviews along the way, what's the harm in taking up this job? You can always omit the job you have now and just say you went for a holiday after school if you eventaully go for an interview and worried that it might affect your salary.

At the very least if you still cannot get a job after 6 more months, you have some actual experience and a working salary and I'm sure you will also learn something along the way. The hard part of unemployed is often the pyschological pressure when you everyday sit at home nothing to do just surfing JobsDB and checking handphone for calls. Try to avoid that if possible.
I actually been to a quite a no. of interviews, just that I am either not short-listed to the next round, or not selected at all. I am not exactly a fresh grad either, considering that I graduated in 2012, thus cannot omit the job in the resume and tell future employers I went for holiday. I am simply not sure how long I can go on like this, waiting and waiting. Do you think it's best that I accept the job offer despite the less than favourable pay?
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