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25-03-2016 01:12 AM

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fresh grad also can be system analysts?

22-02-2014 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by alatus

Must the 3 years of technical experience be in enterprise projects? What about technical experience gathered in smaller scale developments such as projects in SMEs or personal projects? Do they count?

depends. A good manager can sniff out the type of experience you have. Those who try to bluff their way through always fall short of certain things. A person who is very solid technically and thinks in a rational and structured manner will usually be able to convince the interviewer of his technical prowess. Once you reach a certain stage in your career, there is so much smoke and mirrors that someone is going to fall for. For a sales/customer fronting role this may impress, but for a system analyst/business analyst role it goes beyond the fluff.

Enterprise projects help to buff up the CV quite a bit due to the several integration issues which usually arise from such projects. Furthermore working with other teams always means communicating and influencing interfaces and designs principals. These are essential skills.

My advise for anyone wanting to be a SA or a BA is to do at least 3 years of very technical work. You HAVE to get your hands dirty and do programming. However much you may/may not like it, programming is essential to structuring your thinking on how solutions look like and to size/estimate them. I have colleagues who are MIS (management information systems) grads who didn't really do technical work in their earlier years, their vendors are able to smoke them to hell and back. They end up getting frustrated and do not perform well. Burnout happens.

Once you become a good SA or BA, management options always open up....

Read this guy's post here. It's a very insightful look at the softer side of IT in sg
Dearth of technically inclined IT PM’s | singaporeprojectmanager

13-02-2014 10:23 PM

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I had an interview with them. Still thinking about it. Also interested to know more about the role and place.

12-02-2014 01:29 AM

alatus

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I am an IT manager right now in a hiring position now (who hires system analysts and business analysts), and I can tell you that I won't seriously consider a candidate who has not gone through at least 3 years of very technical work (programming is essential)

12-02-2014 01:25 AM

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I think I can answer your question quite well. I have been in the industry for around 8 years and yes, I do agree that you need to have a very solid technical grounding to make good progress being a system analyst/solution architect.

I see many fresh grads take up softer roles in the beginning of their career without any solid foundation, and while the progressions might be faster at first, over time gaps in their knowledge show up and this is very apparent to managers and senior people.

Doing ground level technical work will allow you to size up and evaluate solutions, your vendors and your team will not be able to bluff/smoke you that easily. Your brain will gain the ability to evaluate whether something makes sense and make rationalized technical assessments of solutions and problems. This skills is very important to climb up in the IT world. I am an IT manager right now in a hiring position now (who hires system analysts and business analysts), and I can tell you that I won't seriously consider a candidate who has not gone through at least 3 years of very technical work (programming is essential)

11-02-2014 01:20 AM

alatus

How long has your friend been with the company? I wouldn't mind learning skills and knowledge such as proj mgt and enterprise software. In fact, I want to get my hands on those. For how long had your friend waited before he started doing the "more" interesting stuff? As for **** jobs, do you have some examples on this? I'm worried that the entire role is 90% **** jobs and only 10% useful stuff. lol

11-02-2014 12:32 AM

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The SA I'm in does not require me to be involved in programming. This is the job description they have published http://bit.ly/1lOJuQH

Any advice? Is this the saikang type of SA?

if u dislike programming, then u dont really have a choice yeah? feedback from my friend at ihis is u'll def learn many things there as a fresh grad. but that's due to **** just being thrown at you. u can either see it as learning opportunities or just being underpaid for the amt of work you're doing(3.1k for my friend). certain skills/knowledge (ie proj mgt, exp in using enterprise softwares) are def transferable, and u can take up professional certifications at the same time.

fyi, for now, ihis is one of the more friendly companies hiring less-technically-inclined fresh grads.

09-02-2014 04:40 PM

alatus

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the title doesnt mean much nowadays, u better take a closer look at the job description. SA can be viewed as simply an entry level role for IT fresh grads. depending on the company, u may be involved in programming, business analyst, tech support, proj mgt or any other IT duties.

whatever the case, just make sure u know the duties u will be doing before u sign any contract. and do check if the company has any career progression path for u or if they simply just need some fresh blood to do the saikang the seniors unwillingly to do. (ie 24/7 standby for tech support)

The SA I'm in does not require me to be involved in programming. This is the job description they have published http://bit.ly/1lOJuQH

Any advice? Is this the saikang type of SA?

09-02-2014 03:09 PM

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Did you mean system analyst is an unwanted role amongst employees? Any reason for the role to be this unpopular?

09-02-2014 01:12 PM

alatus

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i don't think as fresh grad you can afford to be choosy. apply whatever interests you, interview with whoever interviews you and then evaluate your options.

if you can even start in an unwanted role like system analyst in big brand name companies like jpmorgan or microsoft, you can go anywhere where you want to, later on.

Did you mean system analyst is an unwanted role amongst employees? Any reason for the role to be this unpopular?

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