| 24-09-2013 09:35 AM |
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Try to look for good industries that can pay 3.5-4k as a start, dont let those HR aunties scare or cheat you into accepting less, it is their job to exaggerate how good is the company and tell stories how bad the job market is so they can meet their recruiting and cost targets.
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| 24-09-2013 12:01 AM |
| jobhunter1234 |
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Originally Posted by Dean
The job of HR is to push salary as low as possible. They answer to the company for keeping HR overheads in check - That's a reality.
Agreed with another forum user who mentioned that the health care industry is not the best place if you are aiming on making big bucks, unless, of course you are a doctor.
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Yea. I agree that doctors are possibly the most well-paid aside from the top management team. However, do take note that average doctors are not as highly paid as you think they are. In actual fact, only those who slogged hard enough or those specialized in their areas of expertise i.e. specialists or consultants are the high earners. If you look at the salary of average doctors with reference to their working hours, I'll say their salary is pathetic coupled with the responsibility that comes with the job. Just make a simple observation, if govt hospitals pay so well to the average doctors, why forever our hospitals have lack of doctors and even NTU has to open a new medical school? If we could evenly distribute the existing number of doctors, I believe we'll have enough doctors in each hospital. So, what happened to the doctors? 1. Upon completing their liability/bond, most moved to private hospitals with better salary and working hours. 2. Those who are more financially equipped will start their own clinics (Just look at how many clinics we have in close proximity within a neighbourhood). Thus, it all sum up that our healthcare budget is lacking to attract and retain the doctors. It is a vicious cycle; more doctors leave local hospitals and the remaining doctors have to shoulder the heavier workload. NTU opening another medical school will only cause more clinics to be opened, or otherwise, more doctors jumping over to private hospitals if our healthcare budget does not increase to pay these doctors. 2 cents
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| 23-09-2013 11:43 PM |
| Dean |
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Originally Posted by shinii05
In the end, I reject the offer. Actually, I wanted to use the weekend to think about it and convince myself to accept the salary. But since, they don't allow it and were so firm that no nego is allowed, I reject it. Cause thinking about my future, if I accept the 2.2 then a year later I job hop, I only get like 2.4 (as my sis, who is HR executive, said at most the other company will increase 10% of the base salary) which is like fresh degree graduate salary now. And also since I already feel unhappy with the salary, if I were to accept, I do not think I will perform well too. Some more, I also dun noe what is the supervisor character like, so there is a risk that even if I accept and perform well, the supervisor might not recognize my effort as there is no definite answer to people relationship.
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The job of HR is to push salary as low as possible. They answer to the company for keeping HR overheads in check - That's a reality.
Agreed with another forum user who mentioned that the health care industry is not the best place if you are aiming on making big bucks, unless, of course you are a doctor.
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| 22-09-2013 01:32 PM |
| shinii05 |
In the end, I reject the offer. Actually, I wanted to use the weekend to think about it and convince myself to accept the salary. But since, they don't allow it and were so firm that no nego is allowed, I reject it. Cause thinking about my future, if I accept the 2.2 then a year later I job hop, I only get like 2.4 (as my sis, who is HR executive, said at most the other company will increase 10% of the base salary) which is like fresh degree graduate salary now. And also since I already feel unhappy with the salary, if I were to accept, I do not think I will perform well too. Some more, I also dun noe what is the supervisor character like, so there is a risk that even if I accept and perform well, the supervisor might not recognize my effort as there is no definite answer to people relationship.
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| 20-09-2013 06:24 PM |
| jobhunter1234 |
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Originally Posted by shinii05
I should have stated higher expected pay back then! After the nego, I suppose to get back to them. But the HR called me first. I told them that I want to think about it over the weekend. Then they said that now they offered me perm position with 3 months probation instead of 6 month contract. Meaning, I am able to get the bonus, which is much better than contract. and the HR said the bonus was quite good in the company (I really not too sure about it) but the base salary still the same - 2.2. I told them that the base salary was a concern to me as if I start low I might end low. Then the HR said if I work for a few years, I am able to chase those who started high. But I was thinking that overall those started high still earn more isn't it? I was told that if the salary was to increase by 100-200 more, they will have higher expectation. This part I totally understand. And I am willing to put in more effort since I no experience and so. I really dun get it why they not willing to pay 100-200 more. Now I have to make a decision before the day end to take up the offer or not.
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My opinion:
1. The HR is bull shitting. The idea of starting low and chasing those who started higher is possible but chance of succeeding is slim esp in times like this.
2. "If you start low you end up low." I somehow agree to this statement to a certain extent. I have friends who started low and even after a few years they are still getting lower than average salary. Why? Because increment in public sector is gradual and if you were to compare with those with local degrees you will still end up being at the lower end. If you have decided to hop off elsewhere at a later stage, employers will probably give u a 20 - 25% increment from your base salary. So no matter what you will still be at the losing end. The only way for you to gain an upper hand is probably that you worked and performed extremely well and someone up there recognizes your efforts and feedback to the management to give u a good rating and PB. But, what is it even worth doing that? and the chance of it happening?
3."I was told that if the salary was to increase by 100-200 more, they will have higher expectation. This part I totally understand. And I am willing to put in more effort since I no experience and so. " Saying is has no meaning to them. Personally, I have tried to convince a potential employer to give me a higher starting salary by increasing my workload and having higher expectations; employer not agreeable. Why? because no matter how much they pay you, they can still give you as much workload as they deemed necessary. So, why do they have to pay you more?
Summary:
1. Good salary doesn't come from healthcare, as least, that is my belief. I never apply to healthcare and it definitely I won't stay long if I happened to enter at any stage of my life. I think the budget is not there to retain and attract ppl to join or stay despite them keep saying that they wanted to attract talents to join healthcare. I believe they will never reach that point with that kind of salary scheme.
2. Healthcare sector is hectic and doesn't justify the type of salary one is getting.
2. Nonetheless, it offers stable salary with AWS and variable bonuses.
3. You need to have a heart and the passion to stay on.
2 cents.
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| 20-09-2013 03:16 PM |
| Unregistered |
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Originally Posted by shinii05
I should have stated higher expected pay back then! After the nego, I suppose to get back to them. But the HR called me first. I told them that I want to think about it over the weekend. Then they said that now they offered me perm position with 3 months probation instead of 6 month contract. Meaning, I am able to get the bonus, which is much better than contract. and the HR said the bonus was quite good in the company (I really not too sure about it) but the base salary still the same - 2.2. I told them that the base salary was a concern to me as if I start low I might end low. Then the HR said if I work for a few years, I am able to chase those who started high. But I was thinking that overall those started high still earn more isn't it? I was told that if the salary was to increase by 100-200 more, they will have higher expectation. This part I totally understand. And I am willing to put in more effort since I no experience and so. I really dun get it why they not willing to pay 100-200 more. Now I have to make a decision before the day end to take up the offer or not.
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This HR is talking nonsense lah. They are just offering you poly freshie pay and try to talk rot with irrelevant nonsense like good bonus and career progression.
NxG good bonus!? LOL my toes are laughing.
After a few years can chase those who start high? ROFL my c0ck is laughing. They offer you 2.2k while your uni peers are getting 3.3k, how to chase? NxG annual increment 50% har?
Dont even get me started on their SME pattern miserable benefit package.
At the end of the day, if really cannot find any job then go there and work for 1-2 years get some exp first loh. Hopefully you wont fall too far behind your peers by then.
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| 20-09-2013 01:03 PM |
| shinii05 |
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Originally Posted by jobhunter1234
Lol..it matches exactly to what I have mentioned to you in previous posts. Yea..u have offered a slightly higher salary for your degree despite the position is for a diploma level. I was like you, to me I think 100 - 200 dollars shouldn't be that much to ask for, however, it has been proven to several times thru my encounters that employers won't care to nego at all for fresh grads. It applies to private sector as well. Now is a period of take it or leave it, or otherwise, ppl say it is the employers' world now.
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I should have stated higher expected pay back then! After the nego, I suppose to get back to them. But the HR called me first. I told them that I want to think about it over the weekend. Then they said that now they offered me perm position with 3 months probation instead of 6 month contract. Meaning, I am able to get the bonus, which is much better than contract. and the HR said the bonus was quite good in the company (I really not too sure about it) but the base salary still the same - 2.2. I told them that the base salary was a concern to me as if I start low I might end low. Then the HR said if I work for a few years, I am able to chase those who started high. But I was thinking that overall those started high still earn more isn't it? I was told that if the salary was to increase by 100-200 more, they will have higher expectation. This part I totally understand. And I am willing to put in more effort since I no experience and so. I really dun get it why they not willing to pay 100-200 more. Now I have to make a decision before the day end to take up the offer or not.
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| 20-09-2013 11:49 AM |
| jobhunter1234 |
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Originally Posted by shinii05
I tried to nego. but failed. the HR said what they can give me is the max. I tried using my friends salary to nego but she said diff org pay diff. I also tried to tell her that fresh grad salary is 2.6 of what I research out then she keep telling me that I no experience and that the position is an assistant position that why the company offer 2.2. I also tried telling her that contract staff should be pay higher cause no benefit given but all in all she tell me I no experience that why no higher pay.
So frustrating! I only trying to ask for 100 to 200 increase in the base salary. She keep using that I have no experience to rebut me. I told my parent about it then my parent ask me to work first, if got better opportunity then hop over to other company.
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Lol..it matches exactly to what I have mentioned to you in previous posts. Yea..u have offered a slightly higher salary for your degree despite the position is for a diploma level. I was like you, to me I think 100 - 200 dollars shouldn't be that much to ask for, however, it has been proven to several times thru my encounters that employers won't care to nego at all for fresh grads. It applies to private sector as well. Now is a period of take it or leave it, or otherwise, ppl say it is the employers' world now.
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| 20-09-2013 11:32 AM |
| shinii05 |
I tried to nego. but failed. the HR said what they can give me is the max. I tried using my friends salary to nego but she said diff org pay diff. I also tried to tell her that fresh grad salary is 2.6 of what I research out then she keep telling me that I no experience and that the position is an assistant position that why the company offer 2.2. I also tried telling her that contract staff should be pay higher cause no benefit given but all in all she tell me I no experience that why no higher pay.
So frustrating! I only trying to ask for 100 to 200 increase in the base salary. She keep using that I have no experience to rebut me. I told my parent about it then my parent ask me to work first, if got better opportunity then hop over to other company.
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| 20-09-2013 09:44 AM |
| Unregistered |
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Originally Posted by shinii05
yea. i know 2.2 is a bad deal given I spend money, effort and time to get a degree. but I no exp and it is an assistant position, I don't know what to use as chip to successfully nego for higher starting pay. and I also have been jobless for going 5 months already.
What benefit should a 6-month contract staff get so is reasonable?
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The whole idea of hiring contract is to save on the benefits, bonus and easy to fire by just not renewing after 6 months.
TBH I think NxG is just looking for cheap labour and a quick hire to help out in ad-hoc sai gang, negotiate also no use one. If you cannot wait and need money desperately then take up loh. But you might need to exclude this in your CV cauz it looks really bad.
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