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18-07-2013 05:31 PM
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I was from the datahouse side which is under the same entity (Keppel T&T) as the logistics side. Bonuses are not as high as O&M or Property side, A+ last year only ~6months, B grader is about 2-3 months.

Scholarship under Keppel is crap one, the career progression and work hours will be the same as joining as a fresh grad exec, except you have to bond with them since they pay for your L&D.

A lot of such fake "scholars" come here then realise kana con and end up with average pay & bonus but clock up ridiculous amount of work hours also LLST since bonded. Datahouse side average was about 65-70hr work week. Caveat emptor.
yes, GLC scholars go in on same terms as a fresh grad exec, don't expect to be treated differently. the difference is probably mgmt will give u more chances and overseas postings to shine since they already invested in u, but if u screw it up then that's your own fault. no nepotism or elitist attitudes as compared to a govt scholar.

in direct response to this post, do consider that ~6 months and 2-3 months is freaking good out there. it is not always true that MNCs are paying more.
18-07-2013 03:08 PM
pursue TS keep asking very vague question like is the career good, prospect good, pay good etc. He need to tell us specifically what kind of pay and promotion $$$ he consider is good so that others can answer. A $300k salary might be considered good for an engineer but not attractive to a investment banker, he really need to tell us what he mean by good before we can answer.
18-07-2013 11:44 AM
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Thanks for the reply! You seems like an insider. Do you mind reveal more on the grade structure (E4, E3 and etc). How's the increment and progression like? Are you still with keppel data?
I don't mind to work like a cow but the prospect has to be promising.
The concept of what is “promising” really depend on your expectation and what you compare with. Typically for average performer, you join as E4 the next 2 promotion to E5 and E6 are standard that almost everyone will get within 5 years. After that you get into M1 which they will start giving you a AM/Manager title, but I am told that this is a fake title only as the real manager grade starts at M4 where they follow different bonus / benefit scheme.

People who reach internally to M4 real managers are usually early 40s. The default career ceiling for degree grads is M4 although some luckier ones will reach M5 or even M6. Beyond that is G1, G2, G3 etc. which is like being general in the army very rare. My gut sense is <10% of managers make it to G. This system is used by most GLCs, so it will follow you even if you say jump from Keppel T&T to Keppel O&M to Singtel to SIA etc.

As for prospect, to sum it up I think is average PME career loh, better than SME not as good as most MNC (Increment ~4%, promotion ~10%). The pay is enough for you & family to live middle class lifestyle, but if you want nice condo, luxury car, fancy holidays every year then no go.
18-07-2013 10:27 AM
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You will join as E4 grade which has no OT. Not sure abt pay structure but it is typical GLC average, if you dont screw up and perform average most likely reach 5k+ in about 7 years.

Actually >60hr work week is very common nowadays in pte sector, just that in Keppel T&T not worth as the pay increase and bonus not attractive. I hope you are seriously not thinking of working <60hrs work week in your 1st job.... If having work life balance is important to you better go and work in a stat board or ministry. My sincere advice.
Thanks for the reply! You seems like an insider. Do you mind reveal more on the grade structure (E4, E3 and etc). How's the increment and progression like? Are you still with keppel data?
I don't mind to work like a cow but the prospect has to be promising.
18-07-2013 10:22 AM
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Thanks for the info! May I know the pay structure like? 65-70hr work week is kinda crazy! I guess there isn't any OT pay and compensation right?
You will join as E4 grade which has no OT. Not sure abt pay structure but it is typical GLC average, if you dont screw up and perform average most likely reach 5k+ in about 7 years.

Actually >60hr work week is very common nowadays in pte sector, just that in Keppel T&T not worth as the pay increase and bonus not attractive. I hope you are seriously not thinking of working <60hrs work week in your 1st job.... If having work life balance is important to you better go and work in a stat board or ministry. My sincere advice.
18-07-2013 09:54 AM
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I was from the datahouse side which is under the same entity (Keppel T&T) as the logistics side. Bonuses are not as high as O&M or Property side, A+ last year only ~6months, B grader is about 2-3 months.

Scholarship under Keppel is crap one, the career progression and work hours will be the same as joining as a fresh grad exec, except you have to bond with them since they pay for your L&D.

A lot of such fake "scholars" come here then realise kana con and end up with average pay & bonus but clock up ridiculous amount of work hours also LLST since bonded. Datahouse side average was about 65-70hr work week. Caveat emptor.
Thanks for the info! May I know the pay structure like? 65-70hr work week is kinda crazy! I guess there isn't any OT pay and compensation right?
18-07-2013 09:51 AM
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Yes exactly. Hopefully someone working in keppel logistic will give an insight of the pay and job prospect. Thanks!
I was from the datahouse side which is under the same entity (Keppel T&T) as the logistics side. Bonuses are not as high as O&M or Property side, A+ last year only ~6months, B grader is about 2-3 months.

Scholarship under Keppel is crap one, the career progression and work hours will be the same as joining as a fresh grad exec, except you have to bond with them since they pay for your L&D.

A lot of such fake "scholars" come here then realise kana con and end up with average pay & bonus but clock up ridiculous amount of work hours also LLST since bonded. Datahouse side average was about 65-70hr work week. Caveat emptor.
18-07-2013 08:06 AM
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Keppel Logistics is a small player for 3PL, warehousing, logistics as compared to the logistics MNCs like Schenker and DHL. Its main business is probably from the KepCorp group.

You are right and you should find out whether they enjoy the same group bonuses.
Yes exactly. Hopefully someone working in keppel logistic will give an insight of the pay and job prospect. Thanks!
17-07-2013 06:31 PM
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Thanks for the info. But does all business unit under keppel enjoys the same fat bonus too? Keppel logistic doesn't seem to enjoy the high profile like keppel oil and gas and FELS. Am I right to say that?
Keppel Logistics is a small player for 3PL, warehousing, logistics as compared to the logistics MNCs like Schenker and DHL. Its main business is probably from the KepCorp group.

You are right and you should find out whether they enjoy the same group bonuses.
17-07-2013 05:45 PM
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Keppel scholarships are just disguised employment bonds for fresh grads, not like civil service means scholar got fast track. If u want work life balance, Keppel really isnt the place to be in.

People cheong like mad there because a A+ can get 10-12 mth bonus and below C can get zero. The culture there is like that, if u r those steady take ur time want to knock off at 630 kind better rethink twice.

Thanks for the info. But does all business unit under keppel enjoys the same fat bonus too? Keppel logistic doesn't seem to enjoy the high profile like keppel oil and gas and FELS. Am I right to say that?
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