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22-06-2013 12:05 AM
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Why would industrial experts work with poly lecturers in the first place? Yeah, maybe poly lecturers got no technical skills. But so what? They there to lecture, not to be a nurse or engineer or what. But to teach.
haha you know lecturers need to take on additional task such as collaboration of project with industrial partner etc. Teaching is just their normal duty because if they keep teaching for many years without keeping themselves abreast of the new technology , they will be left behind.

1)some lecturers left after 2-3 years because they feel that they will lose their technical capabilities and skills if they stay in poly for too long..

2) some lecturers who want a slow pace and less stressful environment after working in the industry for many years. these group of people are usually in their 40s

3) another group of lecturers who are in their late 40s -50s won't leave poly because they simply know that they will not be hire after laze around for so many years. their capabilities are outdated.
21-06-2013 10:16 AM
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BTW, i am not working in poly since 2010 because the increment is pathetic, cannot even beat the yearly inflation.
My current pay is equivalent to PAX 4 and car is provided as well.I am just a diploma holder.

Last month,I met up with my ex-colleague whom complained the apprasial system adopted by HR. We are friends for years and knowing he is the hardworking kind but ended up with a 'D'. He is trying ways to appeal on his case.
Yea yea we get it, another "I am only asking for a friend / out of curiousity".
21-06-2013 10:07 AM
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And this is why, having a constructive conversation with you is impossible. Your rebuttals are ad hominem at best.

Example, you said "u are a lousy if HR run by u". Tbh, that english is so messed up, Im not even sure what you're saying. You are saying that I am lousy just because of my opinions. Instead of rebutting my arguments, you are instead saying that I am this and that. And you've been doing that the whole thread. Rebut my ARGUMENTS, not ME. You don't even know me.

Basically, you got a grade 'D', and you're trying to argue that its not 'fair' that you got a grade D. Well, too bad, someone has to get a D. What about the other TSOs that scored an A? They are better than you. People are better than you. Wake up, realise this fact, there will always be people who are better than you because you are not all that good. That's why you got a D. So instead of saying this and that on this forum, why not work harder to make yourself better? And if you hate the system so much, and you think you are that damn good, go out and find other jobs la. No one is forcing you to stay there.

And all you are saying is just wild speculation. What makes you think that lecturers never get a D? You survey all poly lecturers in sg isit? No right?
BTW, i am not working in poly since 2010 because the increment is pathetic, cannot even beat the yearly inflation.
My current pay is equivalent to PAX 4 and car is provided as well.I am just a diploma holder.

Last month,I met up with my ex-colleague whom complained the apprasial system adopted by HR. We are friends for years and knowing he is the hardworking kind but ended up with a 'D'. He is trying ways to appeal on his case.
21-06-2013 12:28 AM
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If u think its fair, i would say u are a lousy if HR run by u.

For the bell curve, someone need to fall at grade 'D', and u think its fair that all 'D' given to others, none to Lecturer. Is'nt it bias?

U as a HR compare 2 employees under the same Category with such a big difference in salary.U think its fair to place u and your director in the same group.
And this is why, having a constructive conversation with you is impossible. Your rebuttals are ad hominem at best.

Example, you said "u are a lousy if HR run by u". Tbh, that english is so messed up, Im not even sure what you're saying. You are saying that I am lousy just because of my opinions. Instead of rebutting my arguments, you are instead saying that I am this and that. And you've been doing that the whole thread. Rebut my ARGUMENTS, not ME. You don't even know me.

Basically, you got a grade 'D', and you're trying to argue that its not 'fair' that you got a grade D. Well, too bad, someone has to get a D. What about the other TSOs that scored an A? They are better than you. People are better than you. Wake up, realise this fact, there will always be people who are better than you because you are not all that good. That's why you got a D. So instead of saying this and that on this forum, why not work harder to make yourself better? And if you hate the system so much, and you think you are that damn good, go out and find other jobs la. No one is forcing you to stay there.

And all you are saying is just wild speculation. What makes you think that lecturers never get a D? You survey all poly lecturers in sg isit? No right?
21-06-2013 12:19 AM
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some of the lecturer like you are chia liow bee....a lot of industrial expert dislike to work with polytechnic lecturer because they are not technically inclined. 80% of them
Why would industrial experts work with poly lecturers in the first place? Yeah, maybe poly lecturers got no technical skills. But so what? They there to lecture, not to be a nurse or engineer or what. But to teach.
20-06-2013 10:26 PM
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I visited this thread because the title seems to imply there might be some sharing on how to game the appraisal system to move up from D. I was also interested to hear stories how some people can end up with D and get lessons to avoid pitfalls myself.

Instead the whole thread pretty much degenerated into a childish tantrum bitching about how it is unfair, hr sux, lecturer should get D or not, etc.
some of the lecturer like you are chia liow bee....a lot of industrial expert dislike to work with polytechnic lecturer because they are not technically inclined. 80% of them
20-06-2013 02:57 PM
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Why are u here in this forum at the first place if u find it bitching!
I visited this thread because the title seems to imply there might be some sharing on how to game the appraisal system to move up from D. I was also interested to hear stories how some people can end up with D and get lessons to avoid pitfalls myself.

Instead the whole thread pretty much degenerated into a childish tantrum bitching about how it is unfair, hr sux, lecturer should get D or not, etc.
20-06-2013 02:32 PM
Smart888
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All this bitching over what is "fair" is childish. Not happy with your grade, go get another job or start playing some office politics to get your A/B.

Why are u here in this forum at the first place if u find it bitching!
20-06-2013 02:02 PM
Unregistered All this bitching over what is "fair" is childish. Not happy with your grade, go get another job or start playing some office politics to get your A/B.
20-06-2013 10:13 AM
Smart888
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Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I never see mount everest before but does it still exist? Of course it does. Is it fair for a person to be given a bad grade if his/her performance is not up to par? Yes, it is fair.
If u think its fair, i would say u are a lousy if HR run by u.

For the bell curve, someone need to fall at grade 'D', and u think its fair that all 'D' given to others, none to Lecturer. Is'nt it bias?

U as a HR compare 2 employees under the same Category with such a big difference in salary.U think its fair to place u and your director in the same group.
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