| 06-04-2013 04:30 PM |
| Unregistered |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
ST u mean Singapore Technologies? it's government linked la. how to pay well???
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ST is the most f up place ever. They claim they are private sector but they progress just like a government job. They are just government job with lesser pay, and really not a good comparison.
For private sector, the path you chose is important. Against all objections by my family, i chose to go on an engineering degree. After graduation, then i realise how bleak is it, and regretted my decision somehow. Especially in sg, engineers are not so much valued. It's better for engineers to go government esp dsta (AND NEVER ST) for good pay. Otherwise, go another route.
Never join small firms in the pursuit of 'private industry', because they tend to kick you out once your pay exceeds 5k and they will start to weigh in you, vs training another new fresh grad.
I only know about engineering degrees and not so much about other industry.
True story from someone who has been in the field.
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| 03-04-2013 11:58 AM |
| Unregistered |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
I grad in 2012 and currently working for an MNC now. HR focuses a lot on Work Life Balance and its all part and parcel of CSR and Corp Gov. So there is work life balance.
However, caveat emptor, if we put 2 fresh grads, same attitude, same performance level, same IQ/EQ, same KPI even, but one finishes his work and goes off on time everyday, one willing to work harder and go extra mile to exceed KPI, especially when you are a fresh grad, then HR will notice the one that works more.
In other words, you have work life balance, BUT ultimately how high you climb is how willing are you willing to get out of comfort zone to achieve smth greater in ur career.
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oh and by the way, you can negotiate for more pay with less work and "make yourself" more valuable, but it all goes down to "price" (your pay) and "market value" (your actual worth) when it comes to a period of recession and retrenchment. Who gets "pok" first is those that work little with high pay. Unless of course, you are the pet of senior management, or senior management himself.
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| 03-04-2013 11:55 AM |
| Unregistered |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
The grass is much greener on the pte sector side. It pays much more than public sector and there is no career ceiling. Some losers are just unwilling to accept this fact due to their weak-mindedness that allows the employers to exploit them.
Remember in the pte sector, what counts is working smartly and making yourself valuable to neogtiate for higher pay and less work. Fools who think that working hard and staying loyal to company is the way will never get anywhere in their sad miserable life. Private sector has much more work life balance and pay is also much higher. I go home everyday before 530pm and never work weekend in my whole life.
This forum has a lot of people who refuse to admit their incompetence and blindly just repeat nonsense like pte sector has no work life balance and must work OT all the time. Wake up!!!
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I grad in 2012 and currently working for an MNC now. HR focuses a lot on Work Life Balance and its all part and parcel of CSR and Corp Gov. So there is work life balance.
However, caveat emptor, if we put 2 fresh grads, same attitude, same performance level, same IQ/EQ, same KPI even, but one finishes his work and goes off on time everyday, one willing to work harder and go extra mile to exceed KPI, especially when you are a fresh grad, then HR will notice the one that works more.
In other words, you have work life balance, BUT ultimately how high you climb is how willing are you willing to get out of comfort zone to achieve smth greater in ur career.
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| 03-04-2013 12:28 AM |
| Unregistered |
We are talking about 10-20 years down the MNC pte sectors earning more than the civil servants with the same time frame. I believe pte sectors will out do those civil servant but if u are going for high starting pay
. Civil service is way to go. Unless u are comparing it with banking and traders line
, that's a whole different ball game altogether
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| 02-04-2013 11:23 PM |
| Unregistered |
ST u mean Singapore Technologies? it's government linked la. how to pay well???
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| 02-04-2013 08:34 PM |
| Unregistered |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
Wrong. Pte sector MAY give you a higher pay in years to come. There's a 40% chance that a Pte industry will earn more than a civil servant. I got that figure because of estimation of what i see.
A friend of mine, 33 year old in ST, just broke his 5k celling with a honors engineering degree. Again, it depends on your industry. A NSMan i knew while doing reservist is getting 4.2k as a civil engineer, approaching his thirties. Prospects not that good for many engineers.
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agree, some of my friends in ST, 5 years exp, with ns, 2nd lower, getting between 3.9 to 4.2k nia!!!
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| 02-04-2013 06:32 PM |
| Unregistered |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
I believe that private sector will give u a higher pay in years to come but the starting pay for fresh graduate in MNC is merely a low 3k which is very bad in my opinion. imagine the tuition fee loan of around 20odd thousand. How to settle down and get family with that kind of salary? that said, fresh grads dont even need to think of a car.
The increment is bad for some fields like the engineers. It's only by job hopping that one can realise a salary of 5k within 5 years maybe?
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Wrong. Pte sector MAY give you a higher pay in years to come. There's a 40% chance that a Pte industry will earn more than a civil servant. I got that figure because of estimation of what i see.
A friend of mine, 33 year old in ST, just broke his 5k celling with a honors engineering degree. Again, it depends on your industry. A NSMan i knew while doing reservist is getting 4.2k as a civil engineer, approaching his thirties. Prospects not that good for many engineers.
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| 01-04-2013 11:55 PM |
| jobhunter1234 |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
I believe that private sector will give u a higher pay in years to come but the starting pay for fresh graduate in MNC is merely a low 3k which is very bad in my opinion. imagine the tuition fee loan of around 20odd thousand. How to settle down and get family with that kind of salary? that said, fresh grads dont even need to think of a car.
The increment is bad for some fields like the engineers. It's only by job hopping that one can realise a salary of 5k within 5 years maybe?
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I agree. Now job hop also not easy. Many MNCs are freezing headcounts...
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| 01-04-2013 11:50 PM |
| Unregistered |
I believe that private sector will give u a higher pay in years to come but the starting pay for fresh graduate in MNC is merely a low 3k which is very bad in my opinion. imagine the tuition fee loan of around 20odd thousand. How to settle down and get family with that kind of salary? that said, fresh grads dont even need to think of a car.
The increment is bad for some fields like the engineers. It's only by job hopping that one can realise a salary of 5k within 5 years maybe?
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| 01-04-2013 10:24 PM |
| Unregistered |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
The grass is much greener on the pte sector side. It pays much more than public sector and there is no career ceiling. Some losers are just unwilling to accept this fact due to their weak-mindedness that allows the employers to exploit them.
Remember in the pte sector, what counts is working smartly and making yourself valuable to neogtiate for higher pay and less work. Fools who think that working hard and staying loyal to company is the way will never get anywhere in their sad miserable life. Private sector has much more work life balance and pay is also much higher. I go home everyday before 530pm and never work weekend in my whole life.
This forum has a lot of people who refuse to admit their incompetence and blindly just repeat nonsense like pte sector has no work life balance and must work OT all the time. Wake up!!!
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hi bro,
most people has the stereotype mindset that pte sector = no work life balance including most of my friends in uni now. do you mind sharing some examples of why you think otherwise? it would be good advice for some of the fresh grads considering our options now
TIA!
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