| Today 12:58 PM |
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Well, they also addressed leave (up to 18 days apparently), period TC must be completed by (12 months TC within 18 months), standard of training (all the guidance on the seats, etc.) which are all part of the original concerns
Pay is one of the fundamental concerns here (as was leave). Why don't they address this?
Instead, they go and propose something literally no one asked for: a moratorium for TC offers to law students (which they say isn't even something that law firms need to abide by lmao)
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This fixation on a moratorium, which serves very little purpose and for unconvincing reasons (I read the CPTL recommendation report), is an artefact of the student-initiated "gentlemen's agreement" (read: unenforceable) moratorium that they used to implement in NUS and SMU law schools. Which, by the way, OSU grads never had to honour. Laojiaos will know about this.
Somehow this concept got indoctrinated into the minds of lawyers and the legal industry in general, and has now found its way into the CPTL's recommendation.
Knowing the pushback from industry players, it's much harder to advocate for effective measures on substantive changes that actually matter, like pay. Instead, it's easier to fixate on other trivial measures like moratorium which don't actually help.
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| Today 12:06 PM |
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Actually the purpose of that document is to inform how they gonna structure the 1 year TC and what actually are the requirements to complete right? Not implying that they are gonna do it anyways, but why would they address pay there?
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Well, they also addressed leave (up to 18 days apparently), period TC must be completed by (12 months TC within 18 months), standard of training (all the guidance on the seats, etc.) which are all part of the original concerns
Pay is one of the fundamental concerns here (as was leave). Why don't they address this?
Instead, they go and propose something literally no one asked for: a moratorium for TC offers to law students (which they say isn't even something that law firms need to abide by lmao)
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| Today 11:52 AM |
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As far as the PTC goes it's probably not surprising if the pay stays the same for all 12 months without any external nudge from Lawsoc etc.
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Actually the purpose of that document is to inform how they gonna structure the 1 year TC and what actually are the requirements to complete right? Not implying that they are gonna do it anyways, but why would they address pay there?
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| Today 11:23 AM |
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Lol did anyone see that linkedin public apology by Nadine (nus law student) to Ethan Ong (ntu) posted today?
I guess we know who didn't win
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This is the alcohol incident right. She got schooled about defamation law. Expensive experiential learning. She'd better get an A for her Advanced Torts module after this to make it worthwhile
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| Today 11:00 AM |
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Lol did anyone see that linkedin public apology by Nadine (nus law student) to Ethan Ong (ntu) posted today?
I guess we know who didn't win
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| Yesterday 06:58 PM |
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However, my point was not that. My point was on doing a stint (e.g. 3 months/6 months in-house, akin to a client secondment seat in the E&W TC programme) to which you will pick up commercial skills and understanding beyond (or more fully integrated with) legal, and communication/process management with the other functions in the company, which you can then bring back with you when you return to private practice (yes, more likely with an int'l firm than local firm) and then proceed to being a solid associate/SA who can resonate better with clients.
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Ok yes. We don't disagree with your points, broadly speaking. This route can be useful for a fledging lawyer. It certainly won't be detrimental.
So go and find an arrangement that allows you to do such an in-house stint and thereafter bring your 6 month in-house experience back to private practice?
Not sure why you're trying so hard to convince us here about the merits of such a route? If you're so convinced that this route is advantageous and worth pursing on the merits, then just go do it? And I don't mean this sarcastically. I sincerely mean, if you truly believe in this route, then go for it.
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| Yesterday 06:11 PM |
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Just read through SILE's consultation paper for the implementation of the new admission regime
It does not address pay at all? Are firms going to pay the same shitty pay for all 12 months of the PTC?
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As far as the PTC goes it's probably not surprising if the pay stays the same for all 12 months without any external nudge from Lawsoc etc.
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| Yesterday 06:07 PM |
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What is the current monthly/annual benchmark for pay for fresh grads in legal service/big 4? Researching now since the expected salary will be a conversation during the hiring process, would like to hear some thoughts
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Just read through SILE's consultation paper for the implementation of the new admission regime
It does not address pay at all? Are firms going to pay the same shitty pay for all 12 months of the PTC?
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| Yesterday 05:59 PM |
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What is the current monthly/annual benchmark for pay for fresh grads in legal service/big 4? Researching now since the expected salary will be a conversation during the hiring process, would like to hear some thoughts
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| Yesterday 05:45 PM |
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Mans tryna prove a point to people he asked for advice from on an anonymous forum, who probably worked in the industry for years or decades and has more legal experience in their left nut than his entire existence.
i love this forum
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To be fair, he's putting good points while you're just bashing him without substance. At least he puts out substance lol
Personally, I'm interested to hear more on this discussion
I didn't know there were so many in-house internships available for nus/smu kids lol
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