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25-06-2022 01:15 PM
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Please la, MINDEF only came in at the end to wayang because they got a supply of free labour (hello NSFs). Which other gov agency got free labour to use?

Big international events or incidents are done by different ministries. Financial events are organized by MOF and MAS. Environmental events are organized by MSE. Shangri-La Dialogue is organized by MINDEF. If got financial crisis who respond? Of course MTI, MOF, and MAS la. If got flooding who respond? Of course LTA and PUB la.

You so blinded by your support for MINDEF that you keep thinking MINDEF has the heaviest responsibility in Singapore. This is wrong.

There is no doubt that Defence is important. No one disputes this. But this cannot be a cheat code to extract as much resources as you can from the national budget. The fact of the matter is that Defence has been playing up this reason to justify its ridiculous spending. There is so much waste in MINDEF and SAF lying around. People order things they don't use. Hire people for roles that are unnecessary. It's sad that this behaviour continues to be accepted because whenever you challenge them, they will just say that "defence is paramount" and that the "output of their work cannot be quantified".

I'm sure there are many roles in MINDEF that are crucial to the security of the country. But I'm also sure that there are just as many roles in MINDEF that do not serve a real purpose. It's high time for a detailed and impartial review of the job functions in MINDEF. Keep what we want and discard the rest.
i guess we are not going to convince you otherwise. sadly i dont have the IQ or eloquence to broaden your mind. you are probably those that thinks NDP is a waste of money, helping other countries during natural disasters are a waste of money. i shall leave it as such and let time mature your mind and thinking. cheers.
25-06-2022 11:48 AM
Unregistered Anybody applied for DXO position and got contacted recently? I applied on 15 Jun but till now radio silence.
23-06-2022 08:33 PM
Unregistered
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when covid is at its worse, which gov agency steps up? Defence....
when there is big international events or incidents, which gov agency steps up? Defence
pls wake up and see why defence is emphasized especially when ukraine is able to defend so long with its citizen army.
Please la, MINDEF only came in at the end to wayang because they got a supply of free labour (hello NSFs). Which other gov agency got free labour to use?

Big international events or incidents are done by different ministries. Financial events are organized by MOF and MAS. Environmental events are organized by MSE. Shangri-La Dialogue is organized by MINDEF. If got financial crisis who respond? Of course MTI, MOF, and MAS la. If got flooding who respond? Of course LTA and PUB la.

You so blinded by your support for MINDEF that you keep thinking MINDEF has the heaviest responsibility in Singapore. This is wrong.

There is no doubt that Defence is important. No one disputes this. But this cannot be a cheat code to extract as much resources as you can from the national budget. The fact of the matter is that Defence has been playing up this reason to justify its ridiculous spending. There is so much waste in MINDEF and SAF lying around. People order things they don't use. Hire people for roles that are unnecessary. It's sad that this behaviour continues to be accepted because whenever you challenge them, they will just say that "defence is paramount" and that the "output of their work cannot be quantified".

I'm sure there are many roles in MINDEF that are crucial to the security of the country. But I'm also sure that there are just as many roles in MINDEF that do not serve a real purpose. It's high time for a detailed and impartial review of the job functions in MINDEF. Keep what we want and discard the rest.
23-06-2022 08:09 PM
Unregistered when covid is at its worse, which gov agency steps up? Defence....
when there is big international events or incidents, which gov agency steps up? Defence
pls wake up and see why defence is emphasized especially when ukraine is able to defend so long with its citizen army.
23-06-2022 05:46 PM
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Mindef Job application

Hello,
Spent a few days in reading all the posts in this forum, benefited a lot.

I submitted my application last week but there is no sound at all till now. Wanna know if Mindef will auto filter out those who are not born as Singaporean but converted Singaporean.

Any kind soul have idea on this?
23-06-2022 07:25 AM
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Recently applied for a manager role in mindef (tech side), just graduated from PT degree in SUSS, but they requested to put me in a senior role instead.

6 years relevant experience
with NS
2nd lower hons

My current pay is around 5k plus since i'm working in pte sector now.
How much could I ask for if i cross over to mindef?
That will depend on whether your annual pay includes AWS or not
22-06-2022 06:09 PM
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Recently applied for a manager role in mindef (tech side), just graduated from PT degree in SUSS, but they requested to put me in a senior role instead.

6 years relevant experience
with NS
2nd lower hons

My current pay is around 5k plus since i'm working in pte sector now.
How much could I ask for if i cross over to mindef?
depends on what is the senior role. if its Senior manager, you can try for around 6k+ if your skills/exp is relevant to what they are looking for.

if they are asking you to be assistant director (1 higher than senior manager), you can ask for higher.

btw, its my 2 cents and not to be taken as straight facts as i do not really know how renumeration works in MINDEF.
22-06-2022 01:23 PM
Unregistered Recently applied for a manager role in mindef (tech side), just graduated from PT degree in SUSS, but they requested to put me in a senior role instead.

6 years relevant experience
with NS
2nd lower hons

My current pay is around 5k plus since i'm working in pte sector now.
How much could I ask for if i cross over to mindef?
21-06-2022 05:46 AM
Unregistered
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You ridicule those working at ICA? You are precisely the type of public servant that Singapore doesn't need. How sad.

I think you should be getting a paycut instead. Stop inflating the things that you do, as much as you want to consider it as "real work".
im not ridiculing ICA's work. they have their own set of difficulties. it is to show you that DXOs dont all work 8-5 and deserve that little premium. you seem to place higher emphasis on public facing agencies, which is your own opinion and isnt right or wrong. it seems that you have a deep misunderstanding of DXOs based on your interactions during NS or family members.

again, expand your horizons. or are you suggesting that MINDEF should get rid of all DXOs or even the military because we dont do 'real work'?
21-06-2022 05:41 AM
Unregistered
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Wow...you even label them as "low level DXOs". Please get off your high horse.

We all know defence is important. No one disputes this.

But we also know that defence is given a ridiculously high portion of the budget that is not even subject to audit !!! How absurd is this?

I have family members who are DXOs and I know for sure that a lot of their work is just due to unnecessary bloating of the organization that cannot stop. Ask them how crucial their work is to the defence purpose of MINDEF, and most of them will not be able to give you a straight answer.

These DXOs don't even face the same stress that arises from working with members of the public. I'm not saying this out of spite, but its embarassing that other stat boards and ministries are getting less remuneration just because MINDEF keeps spewing the holy word of "defence" to justify its excessive budget.
there again, you need to expand your horizons or get more information regarding DXOs. im unsure what your DXOs family members is doing or at what level are they working as. if they are working adminstratively in HR or finance and think they dont contribute enough, thats pretty sad. every organisation's admin roles are not crucial in their eyes or your eyes probably. but it would not function without them. but i digress.

stress is subjective. again, you have to be inside an organisation to understand the culture. unless you are implying that all public facing stat boards are more stressful than those who are not as a generalization, then i cant help you. DXOs do have operational roles btw. again, maybe expand your knowledge more.

im not here to debate. i only request you to keep an open mind about what DXOs do and not use a 'frog in well' attitude to dismiss what DXOs do. Btw, from what you said about defence not subjected to audit, you have already shown your lack of awareness or knowledge about govt organisations and how they are accountable to the public. maybe talk to more people and understand better. cheers.

defence budget is a whole other topic. theres a reason for it being the highest. if you truly understand singapores position in the world, then you would know. have a great day.
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