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Today 05:40 AM
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Look for activities and work that involves less dealing on the frontline with people.

Nasty people call from all circles of life. Low SES or rich all same.

The difference though is how many you have to deal with. It is like buying 4D. Buy more tickets then more chance kena nasty people.

So in the end what you want is deal with less people but can make more money with each encounter. High value work. Which is definitely NOT GP work or Primary Care. Even those MMeder and FCFPS what not, their goal is not to see more patients and help more people. They want to siam as much as they can. Do higher value work like admin, politics, management you get what I mean la.

This is coping.

In order to find happiness you have to know what you yourself like to do. If at this stage of medical career you find yourself cannot stand people anymore, next patient you guarded that might be some crazy unreasonable angry person coming in to complain about wait time and have 1001 questions about this dot on arm, that pain in neck, the tummy not good in LHC, cannot sleep.....then you are jaded and burnout already. Go private? You still in the same mess. No change.

Want to change? either specialize (very hard I know) or change career (also very hard I know).

Or lan lan and shut up.
That's true. Many doctos I know do admin/teaching as they cannot stand doing full clinical work everyday. Add in the medicolegal risk as well to clinical work.

Alternative is to work part time or do locum part time (for which hrs more flexible) but of course pay also less.

So no perfect solution/world la essentially
Yesterday 10:48 PM
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Hi serious qsn no trolls pls. Img here just got invited to smc pledge taking ceremony. want to know although there’s no guarantee for f-reg after this, are they chances usually high or do they usually still hold back giving out f-reg? Anyone got rejected before? And how long does the entire application take to be approved?
Once u get invited means f reg coming
Congrats!
Yesterday 10:14 PM
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How did u cope/find peace and happyness
Look for activities and work that involves less dealing on the frontline with people.

Nasty people call from all circles of life. Low SES or rich all same.

The difference though is how many you have to deal with. It is like buying 4D. Buy more tickets then more chance kena nasty people.

So in the end what you want is deal with less people but can make more money with each encounter. High value work. Which is definitely NOT GP work or Primary Care. Even those MMeder and FCFPS what not, their goal is not to see more patients and help more people. They want to siam as much as they can. Do higher value work like admin, politics, management you get what I mean la.

This is coping.

In order to find happiness you have to know what you yourself like to do. If at this stage of medical career you find yourself cannot stand people anymore, next patient you guarded that might be some crazy unreasonable angry person coming in to complain about wait time and have 1001 questions about this dot on arm, that pain in neck, the tummy not good in LHC, cannot sleep.....then you are jaded and burnout already. Go private? You still in the same mess. No change.

Want to change? either specialize (very hard I know) or change career (also very hard I know).

Or lan lan and shut up.
Yesterday 06:37 PM
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I have been in your shoes

Trust me the problem is not poly. The problem is medicine. Going to pte or locum will not change anything.

Fact is earning money being a doctor is a pain. Is like slow drip water torture. Got to see patient one by one by one.

And in GP work how much can each patient pay? Sure you can open clinic and sell medicine and make profit also but realistically how much profit can you make per patient?

The more you charge the more the patient got questions to ask. So is unrealistic to try to fleece each patient. In the end the hourly amounts dont justify.

So need volume. High volume simpler work less questions profit maybe $20-$30. This is probably the most lucrative route.

However it is VOLUME. And the more patients you see the more chance you get those emotional vampire type ask crazy questions like why why why is this happening to me. Not interested in how to treat or what can be done but WHY this happened to them. And then you explain already they say cannot be lah dont think so lah then ask you WHY again You try to ICE. they say I dont know I am not the doctor you the doctor you tell me. But you already told them. So this type need to usher out fast. But then you uncaring doctor

Also burnout.

In the end, the problem is medicine. It is not what you thought it was. It is more akin to those hawker selling $20 plate of hokkien mee. But the hokkien mee when you fry will talk back to you say they dowan this dowan that and you got to keep the hokkien mee happy also and not kena complaint to the Hokkien Mee complaints council.

If you have the foresight and courage. Leave medicine. Go do something else. Software engineering. Business Admin. Accountancy. CPA. CFA.

How did u cope/find peace and happyness
Yesterday 04:39 PM
Unregistered Hi serious qsn no trolls pls. Img here just got invited to smc pledge taking ceremony. want to know although there’s no guarantee for f-reg after this, are they chances usually high or do they usually still hold back giving out f-reg? Anyone got rejected before? And how long does the entire application take to be approved?
Yesterday 01:24 PM
Unregistered Any telegram
Group for doctors / locums for a community

New to work in singapore , will
Be good to have a support / grp
Yesterday 02:12 AM
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I think you mean do FCFPS.
LOL!

I bet you don't even know what CPA and CFA stand for. Typical doctor.
Yesterday 01:08 AM
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I have been in your shoes

Trust me the problem is not poly. The problem is medicine. Going to pte or locum will not change anything.

Fact is earning money being a doctor is a pain. Is like slow drip water torture. Got to see patient one by one by one.

And in GP work how much can each patient pay? Sure you can open clinic and sell medicine and make profit also but realistically how much profit can you make per patient?

The more you charge the more the patient got questions to ask. So is unrealistic to try to fleece each patient. In the end the hourly amounts dont justify.

So need volume. High volume simpler work less questions profit maybe $20-$30. This is probably the most lucrative route.

However it is VOLUME. And the more patients you see the more chance you get those emotional vampire type ask crazy questions like why why why is this happening to me. Not interested in how to treat or what can be done but WHY this happened to them. And then you explain already they say cannot be lah dont think so lah then ask you WHY again You try to ICE. they say I dont know I am not the doctor you the doctor you tell me. But you already told them. So this type need to usher out fast. But then you uncaring doctor

Also burnout.

In the end, the problem is medicine. It is not what you thought it was. It is more akin to those hawker selling $20 plate of hokkien mee. But the hokkien mee when you fry will talk back to you say they dowan this dowan that and you got to keep the hokkien mee happy also and not kena complaint to the Hokkien Mee complaints council.

If you have the foresight and courage. Leave medicine. Go do something else. Software engineering. Business Admin. Accountancy. CPA. CFA.
I think you mean do FCFPS.
17-08-2022 11:53 PM
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Yeah I am depressed thinking of just going to work at poly. Thanks for the advise. Only worry is everyday find locum slots also hard. But im sure can get some job at some chain or along the way maybe can get regular slots also. NPL cant locum. I dont mind locuming for poly half days but they dont want locums . Just full day poly is damn tiring
I have been in your shoes

Trust me the problem is not poly. The problem is medicine. Going to pte or locum will not change anything.

Fact is earning money being a doctor is a pain. Is like slow drip water torture. Got to see patient one by one by one.

And in GP work how much can each patient pay? Sure you can open clinic and sell medicine and make profit also but realistically how much profit can you make per patient?

The more you charge the more the patient got questions to ask. So is unrealistic to try to fleece each patient. In the end the hourly amounts dont justify.

So need volume. High volume simpler work less questions profit maybe $20-$30. This is probably the most lucrative route.

However it is VOLUME. And the more patients you see the more chance you get those emotional vampire type ask crazy questions like why why why is this happening to me. Not interested in how to treat or what can be done but WHY this happened to them. And then you explain already they say cannot be lah dont think so lah then ask you WHY again You try to ICE. they say I dont know I am not the doctor you the doctor you tell me. But you already told them. So this type need to usher out fast. But then you uncaring doctor

Also burnout.

In the end, the problem is medicine. It is not what you thought it was. It is more akin to those hawker selling $20 plate of hokkien mee. But the hokkien mee when you fry will talk back to you say they dowan this dowan that and you got to keep the hokkien mee happy also and not kena complaint to the Hokkien Mee complaints council.

If you have the foresight and courage. Leave medicine. Go do something else. Software engineering. Business Admin. Accountancy. CPA. CFA.
17-08-2022 11:30 PM
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I came onto this forum trying to figure an answer to a simple question.
What is the salary for a senior (>5 years post fellowship) consultant in emergency medicine.
Was thinking about a move from the UK to Singapore.

But gosh reading this thread the grass does not seem remotely greener. My locum pay in the NHS is £120hr. Salary is £80k/yr for 28-32 clinical hours per week. 40 days annual leave and 2 weeks stay leave per year.
That locum pay is nearly SD300/hr equivalent. I can't quite figure if the amounts being quoted here are so low because this is a junior doctor filled forum or if half the posters are just trolls or if medics in Singapore really are this vile in real life as it does not seem conducive to a pleasant working life.
Don't listen to the detractors.

You should move from lousy paying NHS to Singapore. Singapore treats doctors with respect and pays them well.

As a senior consultant in A&E you easily pull in SGD400-500k a year with all the usual benefits. Might not have as much leave but the money is better.
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