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Today 09:11 AM
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Read the article. Quite honestly, even if true, the account of the associate tells me much more about the work ethics and lack of discretion of the associate than the partner in question. The lack of discretion is by the associate is especially appalling as there are only so many individuals fitting the partner’s profile. BT should know better than to be publishing this sort of unverified drivel anonymously.
Agreed. The working while in labour anecdote is a personal decision of the female partner. It is inappropriate to co-opt it as an example of "toxicity".

I have also personally heard accounts of female lawyers working until very advanced in their term. But that is their choice.

If the "associate" wished to make a point about how females may be pressurized to perform to the same level as males, and may be disadvantaged by maternity commitments, this is actually a separate conversation, and in any case could've been worded much better than it was.
Today 07:40 AM
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In today’s BT: “A female lawyer who worked under a senior counsel in major law firm said the partner often “bragged” about working even while in labour……..Why is the Law Society surprised when junior lawyers quit when managers like that get appointed senior counsel?”


Apart from the bad typo from a national newspaper, quite a damming indictment from a former associate, though it’s hard to understand her lament. Why would the former associate think this act somehow should militate her ‘manager’ from being considered senior counsel? One should certainly be encouraged to advocate work life balance but that’s not and should never be a criterion to be senior counsel or to reach the top levels of the legal profession in any specialization other than litigation.
Read the article. Quite honestly, even if true, the account of the associate tells me much more about the work ethics and lack of discretion of the associate than the partner in question. The lack of discretion is by the associate is especially appalling as there are only so many individuals fitting the partner’s profile. BT should know better than to be publishing this sort of unverified drivel anonymously.
Today 06:34 AM
Unregistered In today’s BT: “A female lawyer who worked under a senior counsel in major law firm said the partner often “bragged” about working even while in labour……..Why is the Law Society surprised when junior lawyers quit when managers like that get appointed senior counsel?”


Apart from the bad typo from a national newspaper, quite a damming indictment from a former associate, though it’s hard to understand her lament. Why would the former associate think this act somehow should militate her ‘manager’ from being considered senior counsel? One should certainly be encouraged to advocate work life balance but that’s not and should never be a criterion to be senior counsel or to reach the top levels of the legal profession in any specialization other than litigation.
Yesterday 09:59 PM
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The one with glassdoor reviews on toxicity.
Is this the one?
Yesterday 09:58 PM
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am applying for tc this year


is it true that there is this particular b4 is well known for verbal abuse and common of junior associates crying at work ?

or is this a industry wide norm?
The one with glassdoor reviews on toxicity.
Yesterday 08:04 PM
Unregistered Anyone knows NQ salary for A&G after the recent bump? Have been hearing different answers.
Yesterday 07:53 PM
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I can safely say that this is a norm rather than exception for a particular b4
which b4 is this
Yesterday 06:46 PM
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100000% agree. But broader question. What relevance are such awards for the end user? If you have a litigation matter, it is complicated and you have a lot of funds, you go for an SC and are probably sophisticated enough to know to ignore these. If you have a complex commercial transaction, you again would be sophisticated enough to know who can do a stellar job in those areas and will go to them. In those situations, these awards are unnecessary and a distraction. And the man on the street won't be able to tell the difference from jack and won't be able to understand any of this, nor would they be able to pay any premium even if they wanted to. So apart from being a vanity contest to sate egos as one poster mentioned, how do these awards help any firm in marketing?
Assuming all that you said is true, at board meetings when they discuss these issues with their shareholders and directors, can you imagine the person in charge saying they have engaged a firm with no accolades to defend their litigation?

1) you’re giving too much credit to these supposed sophisticated people/corporations
2) accolades help present the firm to the board
Yesterday 06:00 PM
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Couldn’t agree more. Been in-house before. Absolutely couldn't stand it when firms we worked with "invite" (read: harass) us to give good reviews of their work come award season. It is almost as if the handsome rewards we give financially to them is not already enough.

Some of these awards have less credibility than the already-questionable google reviews, where at least those who feel like they got bad service could also give their 2-cents. From my experience, the firms that truly were a pleasure to work with were those who did their work well but quietly. These were sometimes cheaper too as they didn't waste time and money having marketing teams and instead let their work speak for themselves.
100000% agree. But broader question. What relevance are such awards for the end user? If you have a litigation matter, it is complicated and you have a lot of funds, you go for an SC and are probably sophisticated enough to know to ignore these. If you have a complex commercial transaction, you again would be sophisticated enough to know who can do a stellar job in those areas and will go to them. In those situations, these awards are unnecessary and a distraction. And the man on the street won't be able to tell the difference from jack and won't be able to understand any of this, nor would they be able to pay any premium even if they wanted to. So apart from being a vanity contest to sate egos as one poster mentioned, how do these awards help any firm in marketing?
Yesterday 02:09 PM
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Yeah, how do you even justify unpaid to your parents who paid for your university fees and now they have to continue funding your unpaid TC?

Keep applying.
Even if all a trainee does is document review, there's still a ton of value for the team. Some firms also bill for trainee hours. If it is unpaid and you're bringing in billables, they're just profiting off your unpaid labour.
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