Today 02:11 PM |
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Is it because their dept core work is not projects
Or there are some people who are good at coming up with the ideas and presenting the big picture concepts to upstairs, how it is going to operationalise or implement leave it to others?
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R u referring to the leads and the heads ah? Cos usually they r the ones proposing the big ideas and leaving implementation to the downstairs
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Today 01:57 PM |
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If got project and can get promoted, not bad already. Some can even get promoted without having ever delivered a project.
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Is it because their dept core work is not projects
Or there are some people who are good at coming up with the ideas and presenting the big picture concepts to upstairs, how it is going to operationalise or implement leave it to others?
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Today 12:57 PM |
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Yes, the boss insisted no office politics and no bullying, only those with too much time will think that way. I felt a little MF and confused after hearing this. So I am surprised to hear that your friends left becos of office politics and bullying etc
What is whose side you are on? I thought there’s only one side to be on, which is your bosses.
Promotion. Personally I think it’s unfair that some people who only has a few years of relevant experience can get promoted just from one or two shiny new project. And cos of quota squeeze out others who are arguably much smarter, far more years relevant experience and many other projects, even if they are not as shiny. If you look at past shiny projects, over the years some of the shininess have faded, or got superseded, which is why the implementation are then deprioritised.
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If got project and can get promoted, not bad already. Some can even get promoted without having ever delivered a project.
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Today 11:54 AM |
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Yes, the boss insisted no office politics and no bullying, only those with too much time will think that way. I felt a little MF and confused after hearing this. So I am surprised to hear that your friends left becos of office politics and bullying etc
What is whose side you are on? I thought there’s only one side to be on, which is your bosses.
Promotion. Personally I think it’s unfair that some people who only has a few years of relevant experience can get promoted just from one or two shiny new project. And cos of quota squeeze out others who are arguably much smarter, far more years relevant experience and many other projects, even if they are not as shiny. If you look at past shiny projects, over the years some of the shininess have faded, or got superseded, which is why the implementation are then deprioritised.
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MF ah.. Hehehe, then you have to be smarter loh, so as not to get MFed. Cos here, there can really be alot of MFers
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Today 11:40 AM |
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Yeah in that sense, that's like in the case of unfair bosses la. But usually one shiny project is good enough to last you for years (definitely to get promoted). Here is not so much what you can do or know, but more of whose side are you on.
Anyway your boss told you there is no office politics? Which office has no politics de? It is just how bad it is. Seriously is from another planet (joking)......
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Yes, the boss insisted no office politics and no bullying, only those with too much time will think that way. I felt a little MF and confused after hearing this. So I am surprised to hear that your friends left becos of office politics and bullying etc
What is whose side you are on? I thought there’s only one side to be on, which is your bosses.
Promotion. Personally I think it’s unfair that some people who only has a few years of relevant experience can get promoted just from one or two shiny new project. And cos of quota squeeze out others who are arguably much smarter, far more years relevant experience and many other projects, even if they are not as shiny. If you look at past shiny projects, over the years some of the shininess have faded, or got superseded, which is why the implementation are then deprioritised.
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Today 11:14 AM |
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Got another reason, p*ssed off coz others “less deserving” got promoted although far less yoe and only one big shiny project to boast of
Got politics? Got one boss insist to me before there is no office politics, so is that they are on different planet?
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Yeah in that sense, that's like in the case of unfair bosses la. But usually one shiny project is good enough to last you for years (definitely to get promoted). Here is not so much what you can do or know, but more of whose side are you on.
Anyway your boss told you there is no office politics? Which office has no politics de? It is just how bad it is. Seriously is from another planet (joking)......
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Today 11:00 AM |
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From what i know, most of my friends who leave, either is sick of the environment (politics, bullying bosses, no psyche safety etc), job scope change (cos here can pivot like siao), or yeah just the simple beautiful reason of really higher pay and progression outside.
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Got another reason, p*ssed off coz others “less deserving” got promoted although far less yoe and only one big shiny project to boast of
Got politics? Got one boss insist to me before there is no office politics, so is that they are on different planet?
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Today 10:53 AM |
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Key is depends on who you need to work with, and whether other comments on other agencies are even more pointed, that's a personal judgement . One can recall the mass exodus not too long ago from TG (esp the div heads), which i am sure alot can attest as to why people leave (although there is also replacement).
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From what i know, most of my friends who leave, either is sick of the environment (politics, bullying bosses, no psyche safety etc), job scope change (cos here can pivot like siao), or yeah just the simple beautiful reason of really higher pay and progression outside.
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Yesterday 02:21 PM |
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Key is depends on who you need to work with, and whether other comments on other agencies are even more pointed, that's a personal judgement . One can recall the mass exodus not too long ago from TG (esp the div heads), which i am sure alot can attest as to why people leave (although there is also replacement).
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Really? Thought most people would hesitate to burn bridges, except in cases where they feel they were really wronged. If that’s the case, wouldn’t most people give the usual reasons for leaving like wanna do something else, higher pay and whatnot?
Anyway, unless someone has really done you wrong, naming and shaming doesn’t really benefit anyone. From other perspective, they may also take the view any managed reshuffle was for the greater good, more efficient, better performers to replace and so on. And how would you show otherwise, without all sides wasting a lot of time to try and prove their point? If people don’t wanna listen they don’t wanna listen
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Yesterday 12:45 PM |
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Actually for those who don’t have personal involvement or tiagong about certain incidents or issues or depts, it won’t be so easy to infer.
Nothing is all bad or all good, a lot depends on who you need to work with. If you have a look at the comments on other agencies, they are even more pointed, here considered quite good already!
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Key is depends on who you need to work with, and whether other comments on other agencies are even more pointed, that's a personal judgement . One can recall the mass exodus not too long ago from TG (esp the div heads), which i am sure alot can attest as to why people leave (although there is also replacement).
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