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07-09-2011 04:56 PM
Hermit Hello Vision kid. Do not be too hard on yourself. You sound like a sensible boy. Your choice of course does not limit your future unless you want it to. Nobody says you are confined to do what you are trained for formally. When I was young, my uncle told me to be a welder or an electrician. It sounded like good advice too. Good thing I did not listen. You keep on searching and learning about yourself. I am sure you will figure it out somehow. Good luck !
06-09-2011 04:46 PM
vision
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I don't know you, all 5 pointers I raised are taken directly based on what you have wirtten over here. If any of them are wrong, then tell us where it is wrong. No point giving generic comments like "check out the facts before you start shooting." I don't even know who you are, how am I supposed to check out the facts other than basing it 100% on what you said earlier?

I stand by my comments that you are not going to get anywhere no matter what you study if this is the hap hazard way you approach life's major decisions. Call this an uncle who has seen a lot perspective. Can't prove to you on that, but I've seen enough of people with similar attitude to know with a high statistical confidence what will happen.



Different people different approach is a statement that is so broad that it is meaningless. There are lots of correct apporaches and of course much more wrong approaches. That is not a blanket for you to tolerate your own faulty attitude to making critical decisions. Like I pointed out earlier, you had 5 decision points in your life so far and the framework in which you approach each of those is quite simply no different from just tossing a coin.

I can of course follow some kind forumers here in sharing with you insights on the maritime industry or offering ad-hoc comments on what course I think you should take. But ask yourself honestly, you are going to face another 50 or may 500 more of such decsions in the rest of your career, do you really think the results will be different if you employ the same way of probelm solving as you are doing now?

I must apologize for the previous comment. I know i need to face the facts and i'm thankful that you pointed them out. 苦口良药, sometimes what we need are just harsh facts. I will be as honest with my thoughts as possible.

First of all, yes, i am clueless then when i was 16. Then, i believed that no matter what, if i persist and put in effort to excel, i will do well regardless of the different situations that i might not exactly like. The days in poly was much competitive, and political. I guess that is the reason why i have such "shadow" against what i've studied. During my internship, i was neglected for 7 months. I was keen, and hardworking for the first 3 months or so. For the entire duration i tried my best to learn as much as i can, but the issue is that my colleagues were not keen to share much with me. Moreover, after seeing how things operate in the school and industry, i somewhat am against the industry more.

I admit that i am narrow-visioned. The reason for not transferring out is simply because i'm unwilling to waste the 6 or 9 months of my life. I guess this is the consequence now. Also, i was confused and lost after graduation. I wasn't able to figure out anything then, so i took my parents' advice to grab a place @ Maritime Studies, and i can use the time in NS to think thoroughly on what course do i truly want to take.

I said that i will be repeating what i've studied again. This is because Maritime Studies is actually, a course built onto the poly course, as told by our lecturers. No doubt that NTU took the curriculum and perhaps made some modifications, and what will be taught will be more in depth. However i still fail to see that value of what will be taught based on what i've learnt. Yes, i am indeed judging the course too quickly.

And yes, i am limiting myself to the choices i can possibly have. I am afraid that i can't catch up with the level of math/ science to those who studied related courses in their poly days, or jc grads.

I understand the meaning of your words. Slamming the cold, hard fact right at me, waking me up from the mentality of "running away". Thanks, i needed the last paragraph, badly.
06-09-2011 03:30 PM
vision
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Hi Vision,

You might want to sit down and define what u really look into a career? Is it to be good at something and achieve a name for yourself based on that skill or just for the purpose on going to the industry that earns you the most $?

During my course of work, I have met with quite a fair number of professionals in the Maritime industry, it is a booming industry and it is always short of graduates and new blood, especially ppl with maritime specialisation.

Just give you a short run-thru (from my little experience gained from meetings those maritime professionals) of the career options available as a maritime professional:-

Maritime Pilots
For some optimism as for earning big bucks in the Maritime industry, I have seen PSA pilots earning $3k per piloting task - which involves getting onboard the vessel and direct them in Singapore waters. And imagine that, Singapore is very short of maritime pilots and most ppl working as a pilot are older folks who have been in the industry for many years.

Ship-Broker
Singapore is the world's 2nd busiest port and being 2nd busiest, there are heavy activities on chartering of ships and vessels and the trading of vessels in Singapore. I heard it's hard work but pay very good returns. One of my ex-colleague's brother is a ship broker, he started off as a trainee learning the ropes of a ship-broking and he is now the MD of a ship brokering company.

Bunker Trader
Vessels need bunker for transport similar to cars need petrol. Companies like Exxon Mobil and other petro companies are some of the companies who needs bunker trader. and the job pay well too.

Marine Insurance Underwriter/Broker
Though is insurance, this job underwrites and assess insurance for Marine Cargo, Marine Hull and etc. Or arrange marine classes insurances for client (Broker)

Marine Surveyor (ABS, BV and etc)
Survey and classify the classes of the different vessels and the vessels' adequateness for use for sea-faring

Government & GLC - Maritime Port Authority & PSA
Well, as the heading, it's a pretty stable job and their pay is not as bad also. They are constantly in need of Maritime graduates=)

Well as you can see there are many opportunities for someone like you, as long as u determine on which path you want to take. And by all means, all those listed above are just some of the many career options you have as a maritime graduate, so it's for you to find out the other options.

I am an engineering graduate from NTU. One word of advice, I encourage you to take up minors in NTU, for eg, in business or economics, this will give you more options in the future, for example to go into banking or other finance related areas.

Well, a degree at times is just a portal, a portal to the many opportunities out there. I have heard engineering grads becoming great bankers and stuff. So no matter wat degree u go for, jus work hard in it, get the best results and your future will be there for you to be created and developed.

Hope my 2cts helps, Good Luck!
Hey, i agree that maritime industry is wide, and never-dying. Because i have studied under ex-captains who have years of experience around the world, thus i somewhat know a little about the good, and not so good part of each trade.

I have also been looking at the list of minor programs available too, and i can't agree more with your last paragraph.

At a point i thought i'm set for this route. But after as you know that FTs are forming quite a community in our workforce. Our competition nowadays are generally tougher; Whereas most people from my generation are aiming higher, especially for management roles. Thus explaining why my friend encouraging me to take up business course.

No doubt that being diversified, will be to my advantage if i'm set to cross over to another field, or add value to myself. But being specialised or not have its own set of pros and cons.

I am actually thinking whether how am i able to work out my career with each cert, what what can i do with the knowledge and skills? I know that it takes years of experience for some, to realise their true goal. But i'm just trying to figure as much as i can now. Maybe i should stop confusing myself much and simplify things?
06-09-2011 03:20 PM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by vision View Post
Hey Unregistered, However i believe you didn't bother to check out the facts before you start shooting people down over here. Maybe you had a bad day, or you just need to vent your frustrations or whatsoever. I have no say over that but i will advice you not judge people on whether will they "fail" or not so quickly.
I don't know you, all 5 pointers I raised are taken directly based on what you have wirtten over here. If any of them are wrong, then tell us where it is wrong. No point giving generic comments like "check out the facts before you start shooting." I don't even know who you are, how am I supposed to check out the facts other than basing it 100% on what you said earlier?

I stand by my comments that you are not going to get anywhere no matter what you study if this is the hap hazard way you approach life's major decisions. Call this an uncle who has seen a lot perspective. Can't prove to you on that, but I've seen enough of people with similar attitude to know with a high statistical confidence what will happen.

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I believe different people have different approach. Maybe from your perspective, i am a "failure". Perhaps this is the way you put your point across or even, you could be sharing your personal experience! But I will like to see myself in the process of finding my direction, thus seeking inputs from the more experienced netizens out here.
Different people different approach is a statement that is so broad that it is meaningless. There are lots of correct apporaches and of course much more wrong approaches. That is not a blanket for you to tolerate your own faulty attitude to making critical decisions. Like I pointed out earlier, you had 5 decision points in your life so far and the framework in which you approach each of those is quite simply no different from just tossing a coin.

I can of course follow some kind forumers here in sharing with you insights on the maritime industry or offering ad-hoc comments on what course I think you should take. But ask yourself honestly, you are going to face another 50 or may 500 more of such decsions in the rest of your career, do you really think the results will be different if you employ the same way of probelm solving as you are doing now?
06-09-2011 03:15 PM
Unregistered [QUOTE=vision;15987]Hey Unregistered, However i believe you didn't bother to check out the facts before you start shooting people down over here. Maybe you had a bad day, or you just need to vent your frustrations or whatsoever. I have no say over that but i will advice you not judge people on whether will they "fail" or not so quickly.[Quote]

I don't know you, all 5 pointers I raised are taken directly based on what you have wirtten over here. If any of them are wrong, then tell us where it is wrong. No point giving generic comments like "check out the facts before you start shooting." I don't even know who you are, how am I supposed to check out the facts other than basing it 100% on what you said earlier?

I stand by my comments that you are not going to get anywhere no matter what you study if this is the hap hazard way you approach life's major decisions. Call this an uncle who has seen a lot perspective. Can't prove to you on that, but I've seen enough of people with similar attitude to know with a high statistical confidence what will happen.

[Quote]I believe different people have different approach. Maybe from your perspective, i am a "failure". Perhaps this is the way you put your point across or even, you could be sharing your personal experience! But I will like to see myself in the process of finding my direction, thus seeking inputs from the more experienced netizens out here.[QUOTE]

Different people different approach is a statement that is so broad that it is meaningless. There are lots of correct apporaches and of course much more wrong approaches. That is not a blanket for you to tolerate your own faulty attitude to making critical decisions. Like I pointed out earlier, you had 5 decision points in your life so far and the framework in which you approach each of those is quite simply no different from just tossing a coin.

I can of course follow some kind forumers here in sharing with you insights on the maritime industry or offering ad-hoc comments on what course I think you should take. But ask yourself honestly, you are going to face another 50 or may 500 more of such decsions in the rest of your career, do you really think the results will be different if you employ the same way of probelm solving as you are doing now?
06-09-2011 02:51 PM
vision
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
TS problem is not about maritime pay or the course he is taking, the deeper issue is that now he is an adult studying uni and still acting like a 12 year old kid. With this kind of mentality, study what also end up the same lar.

Look at the sequence you know already

1) Signs up for maritme course in poly because Uncle say got good pay, didn't even bother to ask what is good pay and what co. and jobs are there. <-- Complete idiocy, but maybe can cut some slack because still young that time

2) Complains the course is "some rotten apple which looks nice on the outside" Complains about the people in the same class etc etc <-- WTF was that for? If he really so hate the course and the people, how come dun transfer out within 6 months or a year?

3) After lambasting how bad the maritime course is in poly, proceeds to sign up for the same course in NTU because "this is the most relevant" <-- Again WTF is this moronic rationale?

4) Proceeds again to complain how NTU course is a repeat of what he learn in poly <-- I don't believe that. Based on experience there is significant gap b/w a degree and diploma course, maybe first few intro modules got overlap, but definitely not the entire course itself is a overlap with poly.

5) Now say cannot take course that have to do with Maths, Science or Engineering because lost touch <-- Complete BS, lost touch cannot brush up har? Or isit too lazy?

End result is he can either stay in the current course and bitch about it daily or change to some boliao degree like Social Science or General non-finance Business Admin. Come out maybe can take some general admin or sales jobs, but like I say the jobs not the problem, with this kind of childish attitude, go where do what will also fail.
Hey Unregistered, I appreciate your honest input with regards to this topic. I admit i am "childish" in a manner where i don't know what is my direction.

However i believe you didn't bother to check out the facts before you start shooting people down over here. Maybe you had a bad day, or you just need to vent your frustrations or whatsoever. I have no say over that but i will advice you not judge people on whether will they "fail" or not so quickly.

I believe different people have different approach. Maybe from your perspective, i am a "failure". Perhaps this is the way you put your point across or even, you could be sharing your personal experience! But I will like to see myself in the process of finding my direction, thus seeking inputs from the more experienced netizens out here.

I thank you once again for taking time off, and your effort replying to my thread.
06-09-2011 02:17 PM
Unregistered TS problem is not about maritime pay or the course he is taking, the deeper issue is that now he is an adult studying uni and still acting like a 12 year old kid. With this kind of mentality, study what also end up the same lar.

Look at the sequence you know already

1) Signs up for maritme course in poly because Uncle say got good pay, didn't even bother to ask what is good pay and what co. and jobs are there. <-- Complete idiocy, but maybe can cut some slack because still young that time

2) Complains the course is "some rotten apple which looks nice on the outside" Complains about the people in the same class etc etc <-- WTF was that for? If he really so hate the course and the people, how come dun transfer out within 6 months or a year?

3) After lambasting how bad the maritime course is in poly, proceeds to sign up for the same course in NTU because "this is the most relevant" <-- Again WTF is this moronic rationale?

4) Proceeds again to complain how NTU course is a repeat of what he learn in poly <-- I don't believe that. Based on experience there is significant gap b/w a degree and diploma course, maybe first few intro modules got overlap, but definitely not the entire course itself is a overlap with poly.

5) Now say cannot take course that have to do with Maths, Science or Engineering because lost touch <-- Complete BS, lost touch cannot brush up har? Or isit too lazy?

End result is he can either stay in the current course and bitch about it daily or change to some boliao degree like Social Science or General non-finance Business Admin. Come out maybe can take some general admin or sales jobs, but like I say the jobs not the problem, with this kind of childish attitude, go where do what will also fail.
04-09-2011 06:30 PM
Unregistered
Re: Decision Making, Please Advice.

Hi Vision,

You might want to sit down and define what u really look into a career? Is it to be good at something and achieve a name for yourself based on that skill or just for the purpose on going to the industry that earns you the most $?

During my course of work, I have met with quite a fair number of professionals in the Maritime industry, it is a booming industry and it is always short of graduates and new blood, especially ppl with maritime specialisation.

Just give you a short run-thru (from my little experience gained from meetings those maritime professionals) of the career options available as a maritime professional:-

Maritime Pilots
For some optimism as for earning big bucks in the Maritime industry, I have seen PSA pilots earning $3k per piloting task - which involves getting onboard the vessel and direct them in Singapore waters. And imagine that, Singapore is very short of maritime pilots and most ppl working as a pilot are older folks who have been in the industry for many years.

Ship-Broker
Singapore is the world's 2nd busiest port and being 2nd busiest, there are heavy activities on chartering of ships and vessels and the trading of vessels in Singapore. I heard it's hard work but pay very good returns. One of my ex-colleague's brother is a ship broker, he started off as a trainee learning the ropes of a ship-broking and he is now the MD of a ship brokering company.

Bunker Trader
Vessels need bunker for transport similar to cars need petrol. Companies like Exxon Mobil and other petro companies are some of the companies who needs bunker trader. and the job pay well too.

Marine Insurance Underwriter/Broker
Though is insurance, this job underwrites and assess insurance for Marine Cargo, Marine Hull and etc. Or arrange marine classes insurances for client (Broker)

Marine Surveyor (ABS, BV and etc)
Survey and classify the classes of the different vessels and the vessels' adequateness for use for sea-faring

Government & GLC - Maritime Port Authority & PSA
Well, as the heading, it's a pretty stable job and their pay is not as bad also. They are constantly in need of Maritime graduates=)

Well as you can see there are many opportunities for someone like you, as long as u determine on which path you want to take. And by all means, all those listed above are just some of the many career options you have as a maritime graduate, so it's for you to find out the other options.

I am an engineering graduate from NTU. One word of advice, I encourage you to take up minors in NTU, for eg, in business or economics, this will give you more options in the future, for example to go into banking or other finance related areas.

Well, a degree at times is just a portal, a portal to the many opportunities out there. I have heard engineering grads becoming great bankers and stuff. So no matter wat degree u go for, jus work hard in it, get the best results and your future will be there for you to be created and developed.

Hope my 2cts helps, Good Luck!
04-09-2011 11:26 AM
vision No idea, that's the line i heard back when i was still 16?
Honestly, what can people do with this useless piece of paper?
04-09-2011 11:23 AM
clarkkent "if you want to get a good pay, join the maritime industry".

just curious, how good a pay are we talking about here?
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