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Today 01:06 AM
Unregistered Hi Seniors, I attended a TC interview at a big 4 firm reputed for its corp practice. While I was given a case study for the interview, I was not questioned on my answers to the case study. Further, the interviewers also did not give me a firm answer on whether I was accepted or rejected. How long should I wait before following up with the firm/recruitment partners? The firm is located near OUE.

Thanks!
Today 12:20 AM
$alaryman What’s the salary range for NQ to 3PQE for Big 4 these days? Called in 2020, this means I am 2 PQE and will be 3 PQE next Jan?

Considering an in house role for 8k
Yesterday 06:52 PM
Unregistered
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This is an intensely naive view.
What's na´ve about it? Care to elaborate?
Yesterday 06:43 PM
Unregistered
changing tc

I'm looking to jump tc - how do I find which big 4 firms have openings?
Yesterday 03:26 PM
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This is an intensely naive view.
Agree.

It's quite sad that this is the view that most law students and junior assocs hold. It will take a few years for them to gain some ... prespective ....

At the end of the day, they will either agree or disagree.

There will be enough people who agree and they will continue to perpetuate this unhealthy view of the profession... and we will be back at sqaure one.

It's difficult to fight against the tide of such indoctrination. It's much better to just do our own thing and wish our juniors well.
Yesterday 02:51 PM
Unregistered Does TSMP pay 7k NQ?
Yesterday 12:17 PM
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If you don't make it to a Big 4 and above law firm in terms of prestige and pay, law is not a good career proposition.

Why bother grinding it out in a small or mid-tier local firm for sh**ty bosses and sh**ty clients on uncompetitive pay?

The average junior lawyer is probably smart and hardworking enough to do something non-law-related for better comp. Or get a job which pays around the same comp but for much better WLB. I'm not even exaggerating, quite a no. of my friends who quit law to do other non-law corporate stuff are leapfrogging past their non-lawyer peers. You'll be at least above average to a high performer in those settings. (At least at the junior levels. Above middle manager level, all bets are off.)

So either aim for Big 4 and internationals, or go in-house. If neither of these are attainable/appeal to you, please quit lawyering and do something else.

It's just not worth it to practice law in Singapore lower down the value chain of the industry. That's my advice to juniors going to get called this August.
This is an intensely naive view.
Yesterday 10:34 AM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
If you don't make it to a Big 4 and above law firm in terms of prestige and pay, law is not a good career proposition.

Why bother grinding it out in a small or mid-tier local firm for sh**ty bosses and sh**ty clients on uncompetitive pay?

The average junior lawyer is probably smart and hardworking enough to do something non-law-related for better comp. Or get a job which pays around the same comp but for much better WLB. I'm not even exaggerating, quite a no. of my friends who quit law to do other non-law corporate stuff are leapfrogging past their non-lawyer peers. You'll be at least above average to a high performer in those settings. (At least at the junior levels. Above middle manager level, all bets are off.)

So either aim for Big 4 and internationals, or go in-house. If neither of these are attainable/appeal to you, please quit lawyering and do something else.

It's just not worth it to practice law in Singapore lower down the value chain of the industry. That's my advice to juniors going to get called this August.
Having gone from small firm >> Big 4 >> intl firm, it is probably better as a junior corporate lawyer to be in a bigger organisation that does bigger deals, has better precedents, and generally netter run. The better WLB promised by smaller firms, in my experience, does not really hold true . Perhaps the one situation where a smaller firm is better (as a corporate lawyer) is when you are setting up your own shop, at least in compensation terms.
13-08-2022 08:35 PM
Unregistered Is big 4 litigation commercial skills transferrable to inhouse counsel? or should I stick it out to become partner one day?
13-08-2022 06:48 PM
Unregistered If you don't make it to a Big 4 and above law firm in terms of prestige and pay, law is not a good career proposition.

Why bother grinding it out in a small or mid-tier local firm for sh**ty bosses and sh**ty clients on uncompetitive pay?

The average junior lawyer is probably smart and hardworking enough to do something non-law-related for better comp. Or get a job which pays around the same comp but for much better WLB. I'm not even exaggerating, quite a no. of my friends who quit law to do other non-law corporate stuff are leapfrogging past their non-lawyer peers. You'll be at least above average to a high performer in those settings. (At least at the junior levels. Above middle manager level, all bets are off.)

So either aim for Big 4 and internationals, or go in-house. If neither of these are attainable/appeal to you, please quit lawyering and do something else.

It's just not worth it to practice law in Singapore lower down the value chain of the industry. That's my advice to juniors going to get called this August.
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