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26-04-2019 08:02 PM
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answer these together

every company is different, even every department has its own demands, so even with some experience, this advice is far from the holy grail okies...

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Unfortunately these days, that’s true. And the rhetoric has evolved. HR from MNCs first priority will invite those who have graduated from top overseas universities (there are many of them now) and they don’t differentiate between the local Unis as much anymore.
those creme of the creme don't go through the normal process, shall not comment since its above my pay grade.

what we process, may I call them regular people? They come from everywhere. My advice for friends is simple, just apply! software and HR will shortlist. And yes, open secret.. software will scan and alert HR there's a superb profile based on our requirement.

Sometimes
hiring manager A says: as long this person has 5 years in accounts, has ACCA.. shortlist!
hiring manager B says: I don't want local grad, i like UNSW, I want to groom a blank slate, no budget..

you can see where this is going... so as long that person is Singaporean, any combi is possible. just apply.

tip: hiring managers are really bad at articulating what profile they want. HR cannot read their mind either. so we bring in final 5 maybe.. then it is for you the candidate, to impress your boss. don't emphasize your qualification, focus on your achievement, what can you do, that's worth more than 2.5k per month? sure have and must have.

invite your friends who have more than 2 offers to your home, buy them breakfast, lunch n dinner... do a mock interview.

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im not the poster but thanks for the insights!!

would university brandings affect the probability of scoring an interview? of course i know some employers do taste-based discrimination so they might prefer some unis more than the others. how does HR work about that, if any?
answer is below

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No problem, thanks for the clarification.

Just wondering how would distance learning degrees be viewed in a HR perspective?

I'm sure this will help many lurkers here.
absolutely, see above. any combi is possible. all sort of discriminating criteria is possible (lucky this place is anonymous) you see, our hiring manager does not account to HR why they prefer not.... they just have to tell us who interest them. could they just prefer a lady... sorry gentlemen!

actually its not what HR or candidates think that matters. there's a few things that we often consider.
1. boss has their needs (or bias)
2. budget vs ROI

AU and PEI..
AU often peg themselves really high. getting them is the same as buying really expensive travel insurance. if you have money and super paranoid, go ahead! those that reply here with 4k 4.5k are very fortunate (or dunno how to calculate annual package).

PEI.. some bosses actually love PEI. often they are street smart and go-getter. their ROI is considered decent... but can be a gamble since fundamentals sure are shaky (or else got into one of the 6 AU already ...)

then comes the problem: let us say both PEI n AU, 3k.......very common now. which would you grab at the same price? (some bosses prefer PEI.. )

bonus:
If you see a portal with a range of salary, fresh grads, look at the low extreme. The title, is what we in slang refer to as, "clickbait". we reserve the right to emplace the position and offer a competitive salary that commensurates with what you bring to the table.

IF a phd wants to snatch a BSc job, at 3.4k, which boss will reject? even if the phd is from a uni that's not known for that field, this person is a steal right? (Say Social Science phd from NTU) the potential ROI is really really high!
Everybody wants to resign after 12-24 months but their RO will find ways to make suitable people stay.
26-04-2019 08:01 PM
Unregistered
answer these together

first, every company is different, heck even every department has its own demands, so even with some experience, this advice is far from the holy grail okies...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Unfortunately these days, that’s true. And the rhetoric has evolved. HR from MNCs first priority will invite those who have graduated from top overseas universities (there are many of them now) and they don’t differentiate between the local Unis as much anymore.
those creme of the creme don't go through the normal process, shall not comment since its above my pay grade.

what we process, may I call them regular people? They come from everywhere. My advice for friends is simple, just apply! software and HR will shortlist. And yes, open secret.. software will scan and alert HR there's a superb profile based on our requirement.

Sometimes
hiring manager A says: as long this person has 5 years in accounts, has ACCA.. shortlist!
hiring manager B says: I don't want local grad, i like UNSW, I want to groom a blank slate, no budget..

you can see where this is going... so as long that person is Singaporean, any combi is possible. just apply.

tip: hiring managers are really bad at articulating what profile they want. HR cannot read their mind either. so we bring in final 5 maybe.. then it is for you the candidate, to impress your boss. don't emphasize your qualification, focus on your achievement, what can you do, that's worth more than 2.5k per month? sure have and must have.

invite your friends who have more than 2 offers to your home, buy them breakfast, lunch n dinner... do a mock interview.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
im not the poster but thanks for the insights!!

would university brandings affect the probability of scoring an interview? of course i know some employers do taste-based discrimination so they might prefer some unis more than the others. how does HR work about that, if any?
answer is below

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
No problem, thanks for the clarification.

Just wondering how would distance learning degrees be viewed in a HR perspective?

I'm sure this will help many lurkers here.
absolutely, see above. any combi is possible. all sort of discriminating criteria is possible (lucky this place is anonymous) you see, our hiring manager does not account to HR why they prefer not.... they just have to tell us who interest them. could they just prefer a lady... sorry gentlemen!

actually its not what HR or candidates think that matters. there's a few things that we often consider.
1. boss has their needs (or bias)
2. budget vs ROI

AU and PEI..
AU often peg themselves really high. getting them is the same as buying really expensive travel insurance. if you have money and super paranoid, go ahead! those that reply here with 4k 4.5k are very fortunate (or dunno how to calculate annual package).

PEI.. some bosses actually love PEI. often they are street smart and go-getter. their ROI is considered decent... but can be a gamble since fundamentals sure are shaky (or else got into one of the 6 AU already ...)

then comes the problem: let us say both PEI n AU, 3k.......very common now. which would you grab at the same price? (some bosses prefer PEI.. )

bonus:
If you see a portal with a range of salary, fresh grads, look at the low extreme. The title, is what we in slang refer to as, "clickbait". we reserve the right to emplace the position and offer a competitive salary that commensurates with what you bring to the table.

IF a phd wants to snatch a BSc job, at 3.4k, which boss will reject? even if the phd is from a uni that's not known for that field, this person is a steal right? (Say Social Science phd from NTU) the potential ROI is really really high!
Everybody wants to resign after 12-24 months but their RO will find ways to make suitable people stay.
26-04-2019 02:33 PM
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im not the poster but thanks for the insights!!

would university brandings affect the probability of scoring an interview? of course i know some employers do taste-based discrimination so they might prefer some unis more than the others. how does HR work about that, if any?
Unfortunately these days, that’s true. And the rhetoric has evolved. HR from MNCs first priority will invite those who have graduated from top overseas universities (there are many of them now) and they don’t differentiate between the local Unis as much anymore.
26-04-2019 12:28 PM
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No problem, thanks for the clarification.

Just wondering how would distance learning degrees be viewed in a HR perspective?

I'm sure this will help many lurkers here.
not HR but someone online shared

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On average and keeping all else constant, local uni grads earn about 28% more than private uni grads.
so hard to get a reply from civil service these days.
26-04-2019 11:44 AM
Unregistered
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I apologise for misrepresenting your credential.

from a junior HR perspective, all 6 mentioned above are the same status. the differences lie in the expertise you bring to the table.

SUSS pass degree BSC social science doing a job in SS is paid better than
NTU pass degree BSC SS. naturally honours get more.

our head of state, president Halimah is the patron of SUSS, how badly can the graduates be paid?
No problem, thanks for the clarification.

Just wondering how would distance learning degrees be viewed in a HR perspective?

I'm sure this will help many lurkers here.
26-04-2019 11:26 AM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I apologise for misrepresenting your credential.

from a junior HR perspective, all 6 mentioned above are the same status. the differences lie in the expertise you bring to the table.

SUSS pass degree BSC social science doing a job in SS is paid better than
NTU pass degree BSC SS. naturally honours get more.

our head of state, president Halimah is the patron of SUSS, how badly can the graduates be paid?
im not the poster but thanks for the insights!!

would university brandings affect the probability of scoring an interview? of course i know some employers do taste-based discrimination so they might prefer some unis more than the others. how does HR work about that, if any?
26-04-2019 10:43 AM
Unregistered
im the one you replied to

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Wrong. I meant a low tier local uni, not a distance learning institution.

Our big 3 is NUS ntu smu. So our lower tier unis will be the other 3.
I apologise for misrepresenting your credential.

from a junior HR perspective, all 6 mentioned above are the same status. the differences lie in the expertise you bring to the table.

SUSS pass degree BSC social science doing a job in SS is paid better than
NTU pass degree BSC SS. naturally honours get more.

our head of state, president Halimah is the patron of SUSS, how badly can the graduates be paid?
26-04-2019 10:41 AM
Unregistered
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It's the reality. Grads from distance learning programs, on average, get a much lower starting pay than local uni grads.
Thanks for the reality check
26-04-2019 10:27 AM
Unregistered
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I thought people were bullsh!tting about the pay difference. Oh i’m not from local uni too.
It's the reality. Grads from distance learning programs, on average, get a much lower starting pay than local uni grads.
26-04-2019 10:25 AM
Unregistered I thought people were bullsh!tting about the pay difference. Oh i’m not from local uni too.
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