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20-12-2014 03:30 PM

Unregistered

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Not all bell curve is the same for stat board, some allow for skew to have a higher proportion of B and A performers while others follow strictly like ministries.

C is average across ministry and some SB, but in some others more generous SB B- is more like "average"

The problem with bell curve is end up your grade is more dependent on how good your peers are. For e.g. if you end up in a department with a few hi-pos or scholar types, right from the start all the quota for B & above all taken by them.

19-12-2014 03:17 PM

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19-12-2014 11:08 AM

Unregistered

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Typical engineer from DSTA since fresh grad from degree, with 5 years of exp can earn how much basic salary (or how much per year)?, Assume onlt aversage C performamce.

If average C performance should be around 4.8-5k I think if you entered as a typical 2nd upper honours.

19-12-2014 07:55 AM

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DSTA culture is similar to MHA. If its a promotion with good increase can go for it, if just lateral movement than no point i think.

Typical engineer from DSTA since fresh grad from degree, with 5 years of exp can earn how much basic salary (or how much per year)?, Assume onlt aversage C performamce.

18-12-2014 11:56 PM

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DSTA culture is similar to MHA. If its a promotion with good increase can go for it, if just lateral movement than no point i think.

18-12-2014 09:29 PM

Unregistered

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Does anyone know in terms of culture are thre any difference between ministry and stat board?

Also do the stat board also have CEP concept? I am now in MHA and thinking of going to DSTA, are they also scholar-based culture?

Hard to generalise as stat boards have different cultures ranging from very conservative bureaucratic to progressive dynamic pte sector like.

Public sector will always value scholars more than the rest of us, but stat boards are less obvious.

18-12-2014 05:08 PM

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18-12-2014 01:59 PM

TypicalFarmer

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Originally Posted by FellowFarmer

Well, you asked for advice, so advice was offered.

Since you now want something more specific:

will my grade/HiPo tag in the SB be transparent to other SBs and Ministries if I decide to jump within the public sector?

No - unless you were seconded by your parent organization. And it is considered bad manners to trot out your, frankly rather short, track records to your next stop.

Is it common for SB/Min to offer 15-20% pay raise when jumping within the public sector?

It depends if it you are applying for a lateral-grade position or a higher position. Lateral position, no. Next-grade-up position, well, you better have the qualifications, but the pay will definitely be better (equivalent of a promotion, so 10-15%).

Now we're talking. Thanks for the advice. I have a few questions pertaining to your response:

1. Secondment will not give me a payrise/promotion even if I ask for it, because I am still on my parent organization's payscale. Is that correct?

2. I am keen to look at IE Singapore or EDB as my next target. Would someone be so kind as to let me know what is the grade structure and pay range in these 2 organizations? Are they the pay leader in the public sector and how do they compare within the industry?

Thank you.

18-12-2014 01:55 PM

TypicalFarmer

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Originally Posted by AlsoFarmer

You can't just announce to everyone you are in marketing and demand that people tell you where to get the best pay package and promotion. If it were that simple and straight forward, everyone will just dash there to get a flying career, who wants to work anywhere else?

Dear AlsoFarmer,

Notice that I did not demand people to tell me where to get THE best pay package and promotion - I am merely exploring and would appreciate advice of fellow farmers who have trodden the same path as I did.

As for your 2nd question: well, career advancement is only one factor out of the many things that people desire. I recognize there are trade-offs and I am willing to sacrifice the so-called work life balance for accelerated progression.

Hope it answers your question.

Thank you.

15-12-2014 02:33 AM

FellowFarmer

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Originally Posted by TypicalFarmer

would appreciate some constructive suggestions/answers to my questions above.

thanks.

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