Today 11:23 AM |
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Lol did anyone see that linkedin public apology by Nadine (nus law student) to Ethan Ong (ntu) posted today?
I guess we know who didn't win
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This is the alcohol incident right. She got schooled about defamation law. Expensive experiential learning. She'd better get an A for her Advanced Torts module after this to make it worthwhile
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Today 11:00 AM |
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Lol did anyone see that linkedin public apology by Nadine (nus law student) to Ethan Ong (ntu) posted today?
I guess we know who didn't win
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Yesterday 06:58 PM |
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However, my point was not that. My point was on doing a stint (e.g. 3 months/6 months in-house, akin to a client secondment seat in the E&W TC programme) to which you will pick up commercial skills and understanding beyond (or more fully integrated with) legal, and communication/process management with the other functions in the company, which you can then bring back with you when you return to private practice (yes, more likely with an int'l firm than local firm) and then proceed to being a solid associate/SA who can resonate better with clients.
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Ok yes. We don't disagree with your points, broadly speaking. This route can be useful for a fledging lawyer. It certainly won't be detrimental.
So go and find an arrangement that allows you to do such an in-house stint and thereafter bring your 6 month in-house experience back to private practice?
Not sure why you're trying so hard to convince us here about the merits of such a route? If you're so convinced that this route is advantageous and worth pursing on the merits, then just go do it? And I don't mean this sarcastically. I sincerely mean, if you truly believe in this route, then go for it.
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Yesterday 06:11 PM |
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Just read through SILE's consultation paper for the implementation of the new admission regime
It does not address pay at all? Are firms going to pay the same shitty pay for all 12 months of the PTC?
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As far as the PTC goes it's probably not surprising if the pay stays the same for all 12 months without any external nudge from Lawsoc etc.
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Yesterday 06:07 PM |
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What is the current monthly/annual benchmark for pay for fresh grads in legal service/big 4? Researching now since the expected salary will be a conversation during the hiring process, would like to hear some thoughts
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Just read through SILE's consultation paper for the implementation of the new admission regime
It does not address pay at all? Are firms going to pay the same shitty pay for all 12 months of the PTC?
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Yesterday 05:59 PM |
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What is the current monthly/annual benchmark for pay for fresh grads in legal service/big 4? Researching now since the expected salary will be a conversation during the hiring process, would like to hear some thoughts
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Yesterday 05:45 PM |
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Mans tryna prove a point to people he asked for advice from on an anonymous forum, who probably worked in the industry for years or decades and has more legal experience in their left nut than his entire existence.
i love this forum
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To be fair, he's putting good points while you're just bashing him without substance. At least he puts out substance lol
Personally, I'm interested to hear more on this discussion
I didn't know there were so many in-house internships available for nus/smu kids lol
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Yesterday 05:37 PM |
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Mans tryna prove a point to people he asked for advice from on an anonymous forum, who probably worked in the industry for years or decades and has more legal experience in their left nut than his entire existence.
i love this forum
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Yesterday 05:34 PM |
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OP here once again. To further prove my point above that it is well-settled that law students have had the chance of benefiting from an in-house internship (and that the only way in is NOT just to go in after years of practice), and to persist in progressing this discussion in answering of my question above - for the benefit of all law students interested:
You can't tell me that:
1. Working at Tiger Airways wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in asset/aviation finance/law.
2. Working at AON wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in insurance brokerage/laws.
3. Working at Aramco wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in oil and gas/project development/project finance/laws.
4. Working at Pavilion Capital wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in fund formation/structuring/corporate laws.
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1) You can gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in asset/aviation finance/law, just not as much as working in a law firm that specializes in this field.
2) You can gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in oil and gas/project development/project finance/laws, just not as much as working in a law firm that specializes in this field.
3) You can gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in oil and gas/project development/project finance/laws, just not as much as working in a law firm that specializes in this field.
4) You can gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in fund formation/structuring/corporate laws, just not as much as working in a law firm that specializes in this field.
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Yesterday 05:31 PM |
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OP here once again. To further prove my point above that it is well-settled that law students have had the chance of benefiting from an in-house internship (and that the only way in is NOT just to go in after years of practice), and to persist in progressing this discussion in answering of my question above - for the benefit of all law students interested:
NUS law school has facilitate in-house internships with (source: s://law.nus.edu.sg/cfglaw/students/i-want-to-find-internships-training-contracts-jobs/vi):
Aberdeen Asset Management
Accenture
AEM Singapore Pte Ltd
Align Technology
Allfunds
Amadeus GDS Singapore Pte Ltd
Aramco Trading Singapore Pte Ltd
ATT Systems (Spore) Pte Ltd
BBC Worldwide
Bollore Logistics Asia Pacific Corporate Pte Ltd
BP Singapore Pte Ltd
Bunge Ltd
ByteDance (Singapore)
Canon Singapore Pte Ltd
Capgemini Singapore
Changi Airport Group
Citibank N.A. Singapore
Danone Asia Pte Ltd
Dril-Quip Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
Engie Services Singapore Pte. Ltd.
Epsilon Telecommunication Pte Ltd
Fox International Channels
Fushinova Technologies Pte Ltd
GE Money
Gemalto Pte Ltd
General Electric
General Insurance Association (GIA) of Singapore
Google Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
Guocoland Management Pte Ltd
Harley-Davidson Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
HydraX Tellabs, Inc
Imerys Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
Ingram Micro Asia Ltd
Intelllex
Intel Technologies Pte Ltd
JP Morgan Chase Bank
Klook Travel
Lazada South East Asia Pte Ltd
LEGO Group
LinkedIn Singapore Pte Ltd
Luxottica
Marina Bay Sands Pte Ltd
Marriott International
Merck Pte Ltd
Merz Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
Minterest Private Limited
Mitsubishi Corporation
NBCUniversal
NEFIN Technologies Pte Ltd
Nestle Singapore Pte Ltd
NTUC Income Insurance Co-operative Limited
Orica International Pte Ltd
Pavilion Capital International Pte Ltd
PayPal Private Limited
PetroChina International (Singapore) Pte Ltd
RCI Asia-Pacific Pte Ltd
Rolls-Royce Singapore Pte Ltd
RtM International Pte. Ltd.
Samsung Asia Pte Ltd
Silverdale Capital Services Pte Ltd
Singapore Petroleum Company Limited
SMRT
Standard Chartered Bank
Symantec
Temasek Trust Ltd
TES-AMM (Singapore) Pte Ltd
Toyota Tsusho Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
Unilever Singapore
Vopak Asia Pte Ltd
Yara Asia Pte Ltd
SMU YPH law school has facilitated in-house internships with (source: s://law.smu.edu.sg/student-activities/internship):
Accenture Pte Ltd
Asia Pacific Breweries Limited
Adobe Systems Pte Ltd
Allianz International Pte Ltd
Allianz SE Insurance Management Asia Pacific
Aon Singapore
BP Singapore Pte Ltd
Capitamalls Asia Limited
Changi Airport Group (Singapore) Pte Ltd
Coca-Cola Far East Limited
CrimsonLogic Pte Ltd
Dymon Asia Capital (Singapore) Pte Ltd
Dyson Operations Pte Ltd
ESPN Star Sports
Financial Industry Disputes
Resolution Centre Ltd (FIDReC)
GE Capital Services Pte Ltd
GE Healthcare
Google Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
Hewlett Packard Singapore (Private) Ltd
Hong Leong Finance Limited
Ingram Micro Asia Ltd
Keppel Fels Limited
LexisNexis Singapore
McDonald's Restaurants Pte Ltd
Monsanto Singapore Co. Pte Ltd
NTUC Income Insurance Cooperative Limited
Pavilion Capital
Paypal SG
Pontiac Land Group
PricewaterhouseCoopers
Saxo Capital Markets Pte Ltd
SE Insurance Management Asia Pacific
Siemens Pte Ltd
SingPost
Singapore Aero Engine Services Private limited
Starwood Hotels and Resorts
Symantec Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
Tellabs Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
Temasek Holdings Pte Ltd
Tiger Airways Singapore Pte Ltd
Vopak Asia Pte Ltd
You can't tell me that:
1. Working at Tiger Airways wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in asset/aviation finance/law.
2. Working at AON wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in insurance brokerage/laws.
3. Working at Aramco wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in oil and gas/project development/project finance/laws.
4. Working at Pavilion Capital wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in fund formation/structuring/corporate laws.
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bro no one is contesting your claim that you can get valuable experience with an in house role. We are just saying that it wont be as much or as valuable as working in private firms, especially in your first few years after getting called.
In case you do not know this already, the law industry is very competitive. Having the brains alone is not enough. Having the connections alone is not enough either. You need to have both in order to survive (not even thrive). If you are so set on doing an internship (in house role) then so be it. But be prepared to struggle when you do go into PP when your peers do not need to be handheld by SCs whilst you are still struggling to figure out how do things.
Just an opinion from me, someone who would not bother giving ******** advice and would rather be blunt and straightforward so a junior's career is not ****ed. You can do whatever you want its your life your career your choice.
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