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Today 11:00 AM
Unregistered Lol did anyone see that linkedin public apology by Nadine (nus law student) to Ethan Ong (ntu) posted today?

I guess we know who didn't win
Yesterday 06:58 PM
Unregistered
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However, my point was not that. My point was on doing a stint (e.g. 3 months/6 months in-house, akin to a client secondment seat in the E&W TC programme) to which you will pick up commercial skills and understanding beyond (or more fully integrated with) legal, and communication/process management with the other functions in the company, which you can then bring back with you when you return to private practice (yes, more likely with an int'l firm than local firm) and then proceed to being a solid associate/SA who can resonate better with clients.
Ok yes. We don't disagree with your points, broadly speaking. This route can be useful for a fledging lawyer. It certainly won't be detrimental.

So go and find an arrangement that allows you to do such an in-house stint and thereafter bring your 6 month in-house experience back to private practice?

Not sure why you're trying so hard to convince us here about the merits of such a route? If you're so convinced that this route is advantageous and worth pursing on the merits, then just go do it? And I don't mean this sarcastically. I sincerely mean, if you truly believe in this route, then go for it.
Yesterday 06:11 PM
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Just read through SILE's consultation paper for the implementation of the new admission regime

It does not address pay at all? Are firms going to pay the same shitty pay for all 12 months of the PTC?
As far as the PTC goes it's probably not surprising if the pay stays the same for all 12 months without any external nudge from Lawsoc etc.
Yesterday 06:07 PM
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What is the current monthly/annual benchmark for pay for fresh grads in legal service/big 4? Researching now since the expected salary will be a conversation during the hiring process, would like to hear some thoughts
Just read through SILE's consultation paper for the implementation of the new admission regime

It does not address pay at all? Are firms going to pay the same shitty pay for all 12 months of the PTC?
Yesterday 05:59 PM
Unregistered What is the current monthly/annual benchmark for pay for fresh grads in legal service/big 4? Researching now since the expected salary will be a conversation during the hiring process, would like to hear some thoughts
Yesterday 05:45 PM
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Mans tryna prove a point to people he asked for advice from on an anonymous forum, who probably worked in the industry for years or decades and has more legal experience in their left nut than his entire existence.

i love this forum
To be fair, he's putting good points while you're just bashing him without substance. At least he puts out substance lol

Personally, I'm interested to hear more on this discussion

I didn't know there were so many in-house internships available for nus/smu kids lol
Yesterday 05:37 PM
Unregistered Mans tryna prove a point to people he asked for advice from on an anonymous forum, who probably worked in the industry for years or decades and has more legal experience in their left nut than his entire existence.

i love this forum
Yesterday 05:34 PM
Unregistered
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OP here once again. To further prove my point above that it is well-settled that law students have had the chance of benefiting from an in-house internship (and that the only way in is NOT just to go in after years of practice), and to persist in progressing this discussion in answering of my question above - for the benefit of all law students interested:

You can't tell me that:

1. Working at Tiger Airways wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in asset/aviation finance/law.

2. Working at AON wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in insurance brokerage/laws.

3. Working at Aramco wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in oil and gas/project development/project finance/laws.

4. Working at Pavilion Capital wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in fund formation/structuring/corporate laws.


1) You can gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in asset/aviation finance/law, just not as much as working in a law firm that specializes in this field.

2) You can gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in oil and gas/project development/project finance/laws, just not as much as working in a law firm that specializes in this field.

3) You can gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in oil and gas/project development/project finance/laws, just not as much as working in a law firm that specializes in this field.

4) You can gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in fund formation/structuring/corporate laws, just not as much as working in a law firm that specializes in this field.
Yesterday 05:31 PM
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OP here once again. To further prove my point above that it is well-settled that law students have had the chance of benefiting from an in-house internship (and that the only way in is NOT just to go in after years of practice), and to persist in progressing this discussion in answering of my question above - for the benefit of all law students interested:

NUS law school has facilitate in-house internships with (source: s://law.nus.edu.sg/cfglaw/students/i-want-to-find-internships-training-contracts-jobs/vi):

• Aberdeen Asset Management
• Accenture
• AEM Singapore Pte Ltd
• Align Technology
• Allfunds
• Amadeus GDS Singapore Pte Ltd
• Aramco Trading Singapore Pte Ltd
• ATT Systems (S’pore) Pte Ltd
• BBC Worldwide
• Bollore Logistics Asia Pacific Corporate Pte Ltd
• BP Singapore Pte Ltd
• Bunge Ltd
• ByteDance (Singapore)
• Canon Singapore Pte Ltd
• Capgemini Singapore
• Changi Airport Group
• Citibank N.A. Singapore
• Danone Asia Pte Ltd
• Dril-Quip Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Engie Services Singapore Pte. Ltd.
• Epsilon Telecommunication Pte Ltd
• Fox International Channels
• Fushinova Technologies Pte Ltd
• GE Money
• Gemalto Pte Ltd
• General Electric
• General Insurance Association (GIA) of Singapore
• Google Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Guocoland Management Pte Ltd
• Harley-Davidson Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• HydraX Tellabs, Inc
• Imerys Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Ingram Micro Asia Ltd
• Intelllex
• Intel Technologies Pte Ltd
• JP Morgan Chase Bank
• Klook Travel
• Lazada South East Asia Pte Ltd
• LEGO Group
• LinkedIn Singapore Pte Ltd
• Luxottica

• Marina Bay Sands Pte Ltd
• Marriott International
• Merck Pte Ltd
• Merz Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Minterest Private Limited
• Mitsubishi Corporation
• NBCUniversal
• NEFIN Technologies Pte Ltd
• Nestle Singapore Pte Ltd
• NTUC Income Insurance Co-operative Limited
• Orica International Pte Ltd
• Pavilion Capital International Pte Ltd
• PayPal Private Limited
• PetroChina International (Singapore) Pte Ltd
• RCI Asia-Pacific Pte Ltd
• Rolls-Royce Singapore Pte Ltd
• RtM International Pte. Ltd.
• Samsung Asia Pte Ltd
• Silverdale Capital Services Pte Ltd
• Singapore Petroleum Company Limited
• SMRT
• Standard Chartered Bank
• Symantec
• Temasek Trust Ltd
• TES-AMM (Singapore) Pte Ltd
• Toyota Tsusho Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Unilever Singapore
• Vopak Asia Pte Ltd
• Yara Asia Pte Ltd

SMU YPH law school has facilitated in-house internships with (source: s://law.smu.edu.sg/student-activities/internship):

• Accenture Pte Ltd
• Asia Pacific Breweries Limited
• Adobe Systems Pte Ltd
• Allianz International Pte Ltd
• Allianz SE Insurance Management Asia Pacific
• Aon Singapore
• BP Singapore Pte Ltd
• Capitamalls Asia Limited
• Changi Airport Group (Singapore) Pte Ltd
• Coca-Cola Far East Limited
• CrimsonLogic Pte Ltd
• Dymon Asia Capital (Singapore) Pte Ltd
• Dyson Operations Pte Ltd
• ESPN Star Sports
• Financial Industry Disputes
• Resolution Centre Ltd (FIDReC)
• GE Capital Services Pte Ltd
• GE Healthcare
• Google Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Hewlett Packard Singapore (Private) Ltd
• Hong Leong Finance Limited
• Ingram Micro Asia Ltd
• Keppel Fels Limited
• LexisNexis Singapore
• McDonald's Restaurants Pte Ltd
• Monsanto Singapore Co. Pte Ltd
• NTUC Income Insurance Cooperative Limited
• Pavilion Capital
• Paypal SG
• Pontiac Land Group
• PricewaterhouseCoopers
• Saxo Capital Markets Pte Ltd
• SE Insurance Management Asia Pacific
• Siemens Pte Ltd
• SingPost
• Singapore Aero Engine Services Private limited
• Starwood Hotels and Resorts
• Symantec Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Tellabs Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Temasek Holdings Pte Ltd
• Tiger Airways Singapore Pte Ltd
• Vopak Asia Pte Ltd

You can't tell me that:

1. Working at Tiger Airways wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in asset/aviation finance/law.

2. Working at AON wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in insurance brokerage/laws.

3. Working at Aramco wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in oil and gas/project development/project finance/laws.

4. Working at Pavilion Capital wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in fund formation/structuring/corporate laws.
bro no one is contesting your claim that you can get valuable experience with an in house role. We are just saying that it wont be as much or as valuable as working in private firms, especially in your first few years after getting called.

In case you do not know this already, the law industry is very competitive. Having the brains alone is not enough. Having the connections alone is not enough either. You need to have both in order to survive (not even thrive). If you are so set on doing an internship (in house role) then so be it. But be prepared to struggle when you do go into PP when your peers do not need to be handheld by SCs whilst you are still struggling to figure out how do things.

Just an opinion from me, someone who would not bother giving ******** advice and would rather be blunt and straightforward so a junior's career is not ****ed. You can do whatever you want its your life your career your choice.
Yesterday 04:50 PM
Unregistered OP here once again. To further prove my point above that it is well-settled that law students have had the chance of benefiting from an in-house internship (and that the only way in is NOT just to go in after years of practice), and to persist in progressing this discussion in answering of my question above - for the benefit of all law students interested:

NUS law school has facilitate in-house internships with (source: s://law.nus.edu.sg/cfglaw/students/i-want-to-find-internships-training-contracts-jobs/vi):

• Aberdeen Asset Management
• Accenture
• AEM Singapore Pte Ltd
• Align Technology
• Allfunds
• Amadeus GDS Singapore Pte Ltd
• Aramco Trading Singapore Pte Ltd
• ATT Systems (S’pore) Pte Ltd
• BBC Worldwide
• Bollore Logistics Asia Pacific Corporate Pte Ltd
• BP Singapore Pte Ltd
• Bunge Ltd
• ByteDance (Singapore)
• Canon Singapore Pte Ltd
• Capgemini Singapore
• Changi Airport Group
• Citibank N.A. Singapore
• Danone Asia Pte Ltd
• Dril-Quip Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Engie Services Singapore Pte. Ltd.
• Epsilon Telecommunication Pte Ltd
• Fox International Channels
• Fushinova Technologies Pte Ltd
• GE Money
• Gemalto Pte Ltd
• General Electric
• General Insurance Association (GIA) of Singapore
• Google Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Guocoland Management Pte Ltd
• Harley-Davidson Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• HydraX Tellabs, Inc
• Imerys Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Ingram Micro Asia Ltd
• Intelllex
• Intel Technologies Pte Ltd
• JP Morgan Chase Bank
• Klook Travel
• Lazada South East Asia Pte Ltd
• LEGO Group
• LinkedIn Singapore Pte Ltd
• Luxottica

• Marina Bay Sands Pte Ltd
• Marriott International
• Merck Pte Ltd
• Merz Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Minterest Private Limited
• Mitsubishi Corporation
• NBCUniversal
• NEFIN Technologies Pte Ltd
• Nestle Singapore Pte Ltd
• NTUC Income Insurance Co-operative Limited
• Orica International Pte Ltd
• Pavilion Capital International Pte Ltd
• PayPal Private Limited
• PetroChina International (Singapore) Pte Ltd
• RCI Asia-Pacific Pte Ltd
• Rolls-Royce Singapore Pte Ltd
• RtM International Pte. Ltd.
• Samsung Asia Pte Ltd
• Silverdale Capital Services Pte Ltd
• Singapore Petroleum Company Limited
• SMRT
• Standard Chartered Bank
• Symantec
• Temasek Trust Ltd
• TES-AMM (Singapore) Pte Ltd
• Toyota Tsusho Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Unilever Singapore
• Vopak Asia Pte Ltd
• Yara Asia Pte Ltd

SMU YPH law school has facilitated in-house internships with (source: s://law.smu.edu.sg/student-activities/internship):

• Accenture Pte Ltd
• Asia Pacific Breweries Limited
• Adobe Systems Pte Ltd
• Allianz International Pte Ltd
• Allianz SE Insurance Management Asia Pacific
• Aon Singapore
• BP Singapore Pte Ltd
• Capitamalls Asia Limited
• Changi Airport Group (Singapore) Pte Ltd
• Coca-Cola Far East Limited
• CrimsonLogic Pte Ltd
• Dymon Asia Capital (Singapore) Pte Ltd
• Dyson Operations Pte Ltd
• ESPN Star Sports
• Financial Industry Disputes
• Resolution Centre Ltd (FIDReC)
• GE Capital Services Pte Ltd
• GE Healthcare
• Google Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Hewlett Packard Singapore (Private) Ltd
• Hong Leong Finance Limited
• Ingram Micro Asia Ltd
• Keppel Fels Limited
• LexisNexis Singapore
• McDonald's Restaurants Pte Ltd
• Monsanto Singapore Co. Pte Ltd
• NTUC Income Insurance Cooperative Limited
• Pavilion Capital
• Paypal SG
• Pontiac Land Group
• PricewaterhouseCoopers
• Saxo Capital Markets Pte Ltd
• SE Insurance Management Asia Pacific
• Siemens Pte Ltd
• SingPost
• Singapore Aero Engine Services Private limited
• Starwood Hotels and Resorts
• Symantec Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Tellabs Asia Pacific Pte Ltd
• Temasek Holdings Pte Ltd
• Tiger Airways Singapore Pte Ltd
• Vopak Asia Pte Ltd

You can't tell me that:

1. Working at Tiger Airways wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in asset/aviation finance/law.

2. Working at AON wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in insurance brokerage/laws.

3. Working at Aramco wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in oil and gas/project development/project finance/laws.

4. Working at Pavilion Capital wouldn't enable you to gain legal and commercial experience/understanding in fund formation/structuring/corporate laws.
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