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18-03-2021 12:53 AM
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Hi all, I'm quite interested in knowing how my peers around my level are doing right now in the private sector, because I'm feeling stuck and helpless in the civil service.

I graduated with BA in Econs/Pols from an overseas university (UMelb). No honours because I couldn't afford another year of study, but got the highest level of a pass degree. Got hired by a Ministry almost fresh out of school. Made full Manager fairly early (< 6 years). Life seemed good.

But, for the last 3 years, I've been in the same position with no sign of further progression in both salary or rank.

The first time someone got promoted over me, I let it go; the promotee entered around the same time as me, and performed at a similar level to me. Plus, he was a scholar; I understood this was a big bonus.

The second and third chances for promotion were really a kick in the face though. People junior to me, who often came to me for assistance, got promoted over me for the last 2 years. Only difference between me and them is that they were scholars who took their honours year. Up to this point, I thought if I worked hard and proved my steel, I could beat any scholar. Now... I'm not sure anymore.

My people like me, and work well for me. I hang out with my boss at least once a week and we get along. I told him how I felt last year and he said he would try to look into it. Then someone else is promoted over me. When I ask him about it, he says he has not much control over it.

Now I feel underappreciated and betrayed for my loyalty. I spoke to two peers of similar experience in the private sector (9-10 years in finance-related fields), and both earn about 50% more than me.

I feel like I've given my best years to the government for nothing. Should I switch to the private sector? Maybe take this chance to pursue an MBA?

If anyone has any kind of convincing argument for staying in the civil service, would love to hear it.
ta, are you still at the same job?
12-03-2021 03:06 PM
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What makes you think that gahmen will give the seeks to a hardworking farmer instead of a potential scholar where huge cost has been incurred earlier to groom them.
If I'm not wrong, the president's scholarship still open for applications until 15 March.
Go apply as long as you eligible.

But whether you are awarded or not, depends lo.

And if you are not awarded, doesn't mean you are a failure what.
12-03-2021 01:13 PM
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You are not hungry enough.
To beat a scholar, a farmer must work doubly or triply hard

There will be more projects assigned to scholars

For farmers you must actively seek out projects
Create your own, tell your boss to assign you more work

What makes you think that gahmen will give the seeks to a hardworking farmer instead of a potential scholar where huge cost has been incurred earlier to groom them.
12-03-2021 01:06 PM
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You are not hungry enough.
To beat a scholar, a farmer must work doubly or triply hard

There will be more projects assigned to scholars

For farmers you must actively seek out projects
Create your own, tell your boss to assign you more work
My boss very smart. He sensed im asking for more work just for better promotion, he say I can have more work but grade will remain average, he ask do I still want more work.

I say no. He say then you don't deserve a promotion.
I say OK I will do more work with no reward, he say then you haven't been working to your capacity if you have too much time for more work..

Some jobs are just lower paid.
If you want the top salary, you gotta get that skill or fight for it...
Not ask to do more in your capacity and expect a raise.

Toilet cleaner can only earn so much.
You ask to clean more toilet... Can't promote you to be toilet supervisor.
If you want to be toilet supervisor you need the supervision skills..

Sometimes I feel judged by the toilet cleaner. Do you feel that?
So much so that I feel so bad for them.. I try not to go to toilet when they clean...
12-03-2021 01:00 PM
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Gahmen only have limited seed to give.
Do you give to those farmers who just spread out their palm to ask for more seeds or you give to the scholarly farmer who get his farm ready irregardless of how many seeds gahmen provide.

Gahmen ofc give to the farmer who can produce the best result. Aka the one who can perform. Aka performance have nothing to do with whether you scholar or farmer. But with your farm can produce what. Rotten wheat or top quality fragrant wheat..

Be the kind of farmer you want to employ.
That's the thing. Gahmen want us to be farmer.
I don't want to be farmer.
I want to be open my private fishing company....

But gahmen just channel all the funds into farmers.
Until farmers all become so rich... While the fisherman, the lumberjack, the butcher all still earning less than fDmer. And the farmer get richer and buy up more land to plant rice...

And those seamstress, or tailor, etc all left behind and can't afford.
And gahmen keep rewarding farmer...
And farmer feels like all he can do is to plant, harvest, repeat.

Get it?
12-03-2021 12:57 PM
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Cause farmer say I am entitled to this land.
Gahmen give me seed I just plant.

I am not scholar so I don't see out other plot of land.
And I don't do anything with my land except to demand more from the gahmen to provide me with seeds and means so I can buy the next plot of land.
You are not hungry enough.
To beat a scholar, a farmer must work doubly or triply hard

There will be more projects assigned to scholars

For farmers you must actively seek out projects
Create your own, tell your boss to assign you more work
12-03-2021 12:53 PM
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Cause farmer say I am entitled to this land.
Gahmen give me seed I just plant.

I am not scholar so I don't see out other plot of land.
And I don't do anything with my land except to demand more from the gahmen to provide me with seeds and means so I can buy the next plot of land.
Gahmen only have limited seed to give.
Do you give to those farmers who just spread out their palm to ask for more seeds or you give to the scholarly farmer who get his farm ready irregardless of how many seeds gahmen provide.

Gahmen ofc give to the farmer who can produce the best result. Aka the one who can perform. Aka performance have nothing to do with whether you scholar or farmer. But with your farm can produce what. Rotten wheat or top quality fragrant wheat..

Be the kind of farmer you want to employ.
12-03-2021 12:35 PM
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i think the next pt you should also add is

if one feels he is being short changed why still continue to whine and stay there 🤷*♂️
Cause farmer say I am entitled to this land.
Gahmen give me seed I just plant.

I am not scholar so I don't see out other plot of land.
And I don't do anything with my land except to demand more from the gahmen to provide me with seeds and means so I can buy the next plot of land.
12-03-2021 11:58 AM
Unregistered TS should understand what he had achieved will be envied by many in the private sector. Many will not reach a managerial post with an 8K salary even with 9, 10 years of experience. There are many with the same number of experiences but only half the pay with an entry-level position. Why? Because promotion opportunities in the private sector are unlike the rumoured length-based criteria of civil service where one can get at least one promotion if the person stayed long enough.

Also, it is unfair to compare with the finance sector. They are known for paying well but also first to bite the bullet in a crisis.

If he is really unhappy about his current job, he will not hesitate to tender and go to a new post or job and not posting in the forum asking about whether he is shortchanged.
12-03-2021 11:05 AM
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You all are wrong. Opportunities don't go to scholar because they are scholar...

Opportunities go to people who behave like scholar. They go above and beyond. They work longer hours.
They innovate. They self improvement. They work hard.

Scholars get better grade than normal student not cause they smart or privileged or entitled.
It's cause they work hard at something they put their mind at it and achieve a result.

That's really what company want... Someone to drive the company to produce result.
And that mindset... Of a scholar... Is really only there in scholars...

Non scholars mindset are usually I want 10 k and I don't want to have to do anything for it.
Scholars mindset is I will go out find that business. Close that deal. If got this hurdle, I'll go find a solution. And when I succeed, I should be rewarded..

Farmer just want to throw seed, water plants and expects it grows.
Scholar source for the best seed or the most efficient seed, then find ways to improve productivity, or being value use the farm as fish pond or connect the farm to a road for easy access etc...

That's why farmer will always be a farmer. Because that's all they want to do.
Scholars will always be a scholar. Because they don't accept average as norm..

What happens when scholar fail? They fall apart. What happens when farmer success? They rise...
Hence the argument of scholar or non scholar. Is not based on whether you win a scholarship 20 years ago in your JC. But whether you have the drive and tenacity to get what you want by working hard.

Creating value for the company. Instead of just following instructions and farm and farm.
So yep. Get good.
i think the next pt you should also add is

if one feels he is being short changed why still continue to whine and stay there 🤷*♂️
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