| Yesterday 02:58 PM |
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You cuckoo or what? If quantum computing becomes hot, why will anyone still want to talk about classical computing?
It's like the latest Iphone 15 pro just released and here you are asking why they never talk about Ipod mini anymore.
Covering emerging risks is not the same as saying other topics are not important; this is quite obvious. I expected better from a fellow MAS staff. Sad.
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Haha you are a perfect example of stupidity. Hot does not mean right. Many people like to buy hot stocks end up losing money. Legacy is just as important, cos history provides good lessons. There are the smart ones who understand that, then there are idiots like u who only see the "hot" stuff. I'd expect more intelligence from MAS staff. Very very sad
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| Yesterday 10:43 AM |
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I think you are confusing yourself when you mix up retrenchment with "being managed out" or mental health suffered". With retrenchment you don't have a choice. With the other 2 you have a choice to continue to work. Mental health and all that BS are just an excuse for weak people who can't handle stress. If that were the case, i suggest you look for jobs like security guard at condo instead. No stress. Your entire perception towards work is wrong to begin with
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1. OP here. To clarify, I am not the one who replied at 2.26pm yesterday. While they accurately represented my views on the managing out point, I do not know who they are.
2. In any case, the references in my post to claims of being managed out and mental health suffering due to work environment is from previous posts on this forum thread written by others. Disbelieve if you will, but I can categorically tell you I am also not those posters. Following from this, your statement about my “entire perception towards work” is woefully inaccurate.
3. “ Mental health and all that BS are just an excuse for weak people who can't handle stress.” - this statement seems to run directly counter to recent statements this year by then DPM (concurrently CM MAS, as he then was) that mental health is a key national priority, having grown in importance in Singapore and around the world. It is the subject of one of two new consultative groups formed, alongside climate action. If you dare, provide these contrarian views together with your full name to the group. So it can be known that such uncharitable views persist in the workplace. Include your current designation, just in case your position lends your words more weight. Don’t hide behind anonymity.
4. Your views on security guard (whether at condo or elsewhere) reflect a gross lack of touch with the ground. Far from being a cushy job, there are reports aplenty of security guard being subject to physical abuse and more. At least with psychological abuse from toxic/narcissistic bosses, one can escape for sanity sake.
5. Remember that if some day in the future you ever hope to join GE (general election, not the insurer owned by OCBC bank), you need concrete demonstration of being in touch with reality. If not, don’t be one of those who come here with motherhood statements about serving the public. The colleagues you don’t like, the counterparts from stakeholders that MAS works with who annoy you because you think they are cmi (cannot make it) or cui or whatever, are they not Singaporeans too? Learn to humbly serve those people who are different to you, before you pontificate and punctuate every other sentence about serving Singapore and Singaporeans!
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| Yesterday 09:06 AM |
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What makes the public service an iron rice bowl is that you cannot be sacked other than for poor performance.
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Put simply, you are wrong. Do you read HR guidelines in their entirety? Probably not. They may not be updated frequently but nevertheless they exist. There is a list of offences/misconduct for which proceedings leading to possible termination/suspension/demotion. “Poor performance” can be subjective and is very much determined by those with which the power balance lies. It is for the very reason people can’t be easily let go for “poor performance” in the public service, that there are comments on this thread about jiak liao bees.
Back to your mistaken belief on this point. Usually conduct warranting dismissal of public officers is serious misconduct or neglect of duty. Neglect of duty is on a far different scale from performance that your boss is not happy with. Example of serious misconduct is conflict of interest, which I trust you understand the meaning of. Please read carefully HR guidelines and other relevant public service regulations (some of which are publicly available) before you go around spouting erroneous statements or taking actions that are not in line with HR protocols/processes.
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All these are perfunctory words that any company can easily state and every employee wishes for. I fail to see that they have any substantive value. In fact, I find it odd you continue to hold on to expectation of remuneration in return for "long hours spent on work".
Just because you made some suggestions and gave some 'constructive' questions doesn't automatically entitle you to more money. Honestly. No company will pay its employees more just because they talk a lot. None. Some people talk a lot but say nothing at all.
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Did you read the post carefully? Probably your cognitive bias precludes you from doing so. Which part of the post was about expecting more remuneration for talking a lot? There are people who were promoted in the last promotion cycle because they are good at talking a lot and/or spend every waking hour on work. But the paragraph you cite in this post was amongst others about the type of work environment that, together with adequate remuneration, is a measure of a workplace that make employees want to stay on in the long term - or leave after a few years. A perfunctory glance at the joiners and leavers suggest to me that MAS does not have an issue recruiting new, good hires who are attracted by the regulator brand. The issue I think it has is retaining them. For the different reasons that have been posted on this forum. We can agree to disagree, but don’t miss the crux of the point and/or reframe the point to repeat your own point.
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| 14-06-2024 11:54 PM |
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Not surprising. Bunch of dicks really. One jump on the bandwagon, everyone jumps in. As if the other topics are not impt. Next time quantum computing becomes hot, rest assure every town hall, omc will be about it.
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You cuckoo or what? If quantum computing becomes hot, why will anyone still want to talk about classical computing?
It's like the latest Iphone 15 pro just released and here you are asking why they never talk about Ipod mini anymore.
Covering emerging risks is not the same as saying other topics are not important; this is quite obvious. I expected better from a fellow MAS staff. Sad.
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| 14-06-2024 11:45 PM |
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So I beg to differ that lower pay package in MAS comes with the added perk of a worry less existence. On the contrary, there have also been more than one recounting on this forum of instances where people claimed their mental health suffered as a result of work environment.
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Mental health suffering as a result of work environment can be in virtually any company, not just MAS.
What makes the public service an iron rice bowl is that you cannot be sacked other than for poor performance. If your role somehow becomes unnecessary, the public service will simply place you somewhere else, even if not in MAS (if you are a contract staff then it's a different story).
In an MNC however, you can be the best CFO or the best software developer, but if Head Office one day says "Singapore is too expensive, we are relocating to another country", there goes your job. That is it. They retrench you when they want to. Your whole team may just be let go. You could be doing a perfect job but the next day an email comes wishing you "All the best in your next endeavour!"
This, indeed, is the wonderful difference of being in the public service, that no one is appreciating.
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Serving the public and loving the public service is not synonymous with not questioning deeply entrenched beliefs and ways of working. The environment must therefore evolve such that people are free to question constructively and still be afforded the space to flourish. In the long term, such intangibles are inseparable from financial remuneration because it is factored into the equation of what people receive in return for long hours spent on work. Have a long reflect in the mirror and ask yourself whether such quirkiness exist before rushing to defend.
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All these are perfunctory words that any company can easily state and every employee wishes for. I fail to see that they have any substantive value. In fact, I find it odd you continue to hold on to expectation of remuneration in return for "long hours spent on work".
If you join an organization, the organization has certain goals that it wants to achieve. It hires you because it believes you can achieve those goals. In return, they give you remuneration and in the case of the public service, considerable certainty in tenure of employment. It is completely on your on free will and volition that you accept these terms.
If for whatever reason, you feel that you are not being remunerated fairly, and would like to seek greener pastures, the door is always open. But needless to say, you will lose some of the job security as a trade-off.
Just because you made some suggestions and gave some 'constructive' questions doesn't automatically entitle you to more money. Honestly. No company will pay its employees more just because they talk a lot. None. Some people talk a lot but say nothing at all. If you believe you deserve remuneration for doing so, then it is incumbent upon you to find a company that provides this.
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| 14-06-2024 02:26 PM |
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I think you are confusing yourself when you mix up retrenchment with "being managed out" or mental health suffered". With retrenchment you don't have a choice. With the other 2 you have a choice to continue to work. Mental health and all that BS are just an excuse for weak people who can't handle stress. If that were the case, i suggest you look for jobs like security guard at condo instead. No stress. Your entire perception towards work is wrong to begin with
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Disagree. There is a well known notion of constructive dismissal which essentially means firing you without actually firing you by various actions that stop short of a dismissal. Pls speak to your lawyer, not psychiatrist for this.
More stress = expect more remuneration as well right?
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| 14-06-2024 09:10 AM |
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Thanks for the mini manifesto; of the people I have come across from FSG or elsewhere in MAS, only a few speak like you.
Agree that 10k a month is far from nothing, but you may wish to update your perceptions on job security in public service. For sure it is less easy relative to private sector to immediately terminate people; that said, on this forum alone there have been more than one recounting of instances where people were claimed to have been cruelly managed out.
So I beg to differ that lower pay package in MAS comes with the added perk of a worry less existence. On the contrary, there have also been more than one recounting on this forum of instances where people claimed their mental health suffered as a result of work environment.
Whether or not these strongly held beliefs and experiences shared are justified is a never ending debate I don’t wish to engage on.
Proceeding on the basis that public service no longer presents an iron clad rice bowl as before, I surmise that the previous poster is simply advocating that to keep up with the pace and industry’s standards of private sector (since we are supposed to regulate them eh), salary needs to be commensurate in order to attract *and* retain good people. This is particularly the case in tech, for reasons that would be obvious from previous posts.
Personally, I don’t think that quantum wise, salary is too bad (I believe previous poster had in mind workload balance, and people who work in MAS would be familiar what areas apart from substantive work can consume significant time). But I do think MAS may have an issue retaining good, diverse talent (without repeating what has posted here before, this has the downstream effect of numerous leftover projects which are not deprioritised, longer waiting time to issue consult response and so on because increased expectations on higher number of tasks being handled by broadly same number of headcount - some of these is factual observations which can be verified from public sources). There are quirks about this organisation that tends to drive away people after a few years if they somehow don’t fit into the status quo mould.
Serving the public and loving the public service is not synonymous with not questioning deeply entrenched beliefs and ways of working. The environment must therefore evolve such that people are free to question constructively and still be afforded the space to flourish. In the long term, such intangibles are inseparable from financial remuneration because it is factored into the equation of what people receive in return for long hours spent on work. Have a long reflect in the mirror and ask yourself whether such quirkiness exist before rushing to defend.
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I think you are confusing yourself when you mix up retrenchment with "being managed out" or mental health suffered". With retrenchment you don't have a choice. With the other 2 you have a choice to continue to work. Mental health and all that BS are just an excuse for weak people who can't handle stress. If that were the case, i suggest you look for jobs like security guard at condo instead. No stress. Your entire perception towards work is wrong to begin with
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| 14-06-2024 01:04 AM |
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It’s all about GenAI and data. Not much interaction to the ground level.
Stared into the space most of the time thinking when it will end so that I can go home early.
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Not surprising. Bunch of dicks really. One jump on the bandwagon, everyone jumps in. As if the other topics are not impt. Next time quantum computing becomes hot, rest assure every town hall, omc will be about it.
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| 13-06-2024 10:10 PM |
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Bosses’ preference is to let a jlb collect free money than deal with the red tapes to manage someone out
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If you say so, let all jiak liao bees take notice then!
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| 13-06-2024 09:48 PM |
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Thanks for the mini manifesto; of the people I have come across from FSG or elsewhere in MAS, only a few speak like you.
Agree that 10k a month is far from nothing, but you may wish to update your perceptions on job security in public service. For sure it is less easy relative to private sector to immediately terminate people; that said, on this forum alone there have been more than one recounting of instances where people were claimed to have been cruelly managed out.
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It’s still an iron rice bowl lah. It is extremely rare to get get managed out. Bosses’ preference is to let a jlb collect free money than deal with the red tapes to manage someone out
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