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There is no doubt, a good property investment will generate wealth, especially in Singapore. However there is also such a thing as a bad property investment and bad timing. While Oldman and a lot of other Richmen have succeeded and have posted their successes here, this forum hardly ever hears from the Suaymen who bought in 1997. |
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- rise from 3rd world to 1st - drop in interest rate from above 10% to the all time lows today - property was fundamentally affordable back then (hdb price was 20x starting grad income. Now its 80x. Private houses hv gone up even more) - there was arbitrage opportunities back then (if u work in us or Australia for a couple of yrs, you can get a very nice house here as jobs in first world countries pay 5 to 10x as much as Singapore companies . Now that arbitrage is not there anymore ) Sparing us the old liquidity argument, which stimuli do u still see out there today ? |
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Even salary.sg had this write up dated July 11th, 2010 "At Property Peaks, Don’t Buy" "Among the 4 leasehold properties listed in the ST article, the worst performing one is Bishan 8. It is now selling at only $802 psf, which is 27% lower than its $1,100 psf launch price!" At Property Peaks, Don’t Buy | Salary.sg - Your Salary in Singapore Just an update, Bishan 8 is now back to $1,100 psf as of Q3 2011, so the owners have broken even after 14 years. Instead of illustrating the weakness of property investment, this case study in fact demonstrates its strength in that even the worst performer has broken even. What about similarly risky investments like stocks? If we compare apple with apple, the worst performing stock investment like Pan Electric where investors lost all their money, would be equivalent to Bishan 8 selling for $0 psf today. |
Haha poor oldman has gone into hiding...
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Fresh graduate salary should not be used to benchmark private housing affordibility because the only thing that gets printed faster than money is degrees. Instead, a better gauge of how much income has risen would be to look at the ministerial salary benchmark, which has gone up almost a hundred times. Most people tend to get very emotional about this and and accuse ministers of overpaying themselves, when in fact they are actually trying very hard to hold down the benchmark. Every now and then, some data creep into public view like the famous doctor and the fee she charged her royalty client, or some posts in this forum that are accused of being BS, when in fact they are not. These are the real benchmarks. |
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Also, why buy property NOW, when the situation in 2012 is probably closer to the 1997 situation (peak) than the 2005 or 2009 situation (trough)? If u are so rich as to not be bothered about a drop in property value, and have long holding power, then no harm can be done to u no matter what. But not everyone is that rich. I won't bother arguing with the eternal property bulls anymore. Long property is right in the very long run, but timing is crucial. Price does not increase in a straight line, it goes up and down while generally increasing. In between, many things can happen, fortunes can be made and broken. Basically, don't get into trouble by buying property at the wrong time, that is all I am trying to say. |
I know of stupid people who sold their property in 2007 and started renting. When prices fell in early 2009, they did not buy because they said prices will fall further. I told them that prices will recover fast but they didn't believe me. Now they are all worried as prices continue to rise. Now they are buying before their cash got burnt out.
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I used to earn about $140k as a front office professional in the financial services sector. Now I am only earning about $100k in a lesser role, due to restructuring. I've been in the industry for more than 13 years. Though my salary now is lower, I am not bothered as I have accumulated enough wealth due to my savviness. I have a fully paid 3 storey huge landed property and another investment property. My passive income from investments is about $2k per month. I think I am slightly above average for a 45 years old Singaporean.
Or do you think I have not achieved enough? |
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50 years old.
Earns a lowly $90k a year. Owns a fully paid $900k condo. Savings and investments of $500k. Thinking of retiring in a 3rd world country. What do you think? |
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