Property Prices Out of Whack - Salary.sg Forums
Salary.sg Forums  

Go Back   Salary.sg Forums > The Salary.sg Discussion Forums: > Investments and Net Worth

Investments and Net Worth Talk all about money making exploits, shares, property and building net worth




Property Prices Out of Whack

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 12-07-2009, 10:06 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 45
Salary.sg is on a distinguished road
Lightbulb Property Prices Out of Whack

The HDB resale price index has set a record high of 140.0 according to HDB’s flash estimate released early this month.

More than half a year into Singapore’s “worst” recession and after private property prices crashed more than 20%, the resilient HDB prices manage to buck the trend and even set a national record - the RPI index is at its highest point since its inception in 1990. It’s even higher than the 136.9 set in 1996 during the major property bubble just before the Asian Financial Crisis.

Something must be wrong.

Perhaps the stimulus package is working too well, so much so that the people don’t feel the pain.

This can be dangerous.

Even private property prices have started edging up in Q2, by more than 10% in the central region based on research by DTZ. Some experts claimed this is due to HDB upgraders who benefited from the bouyant HDB prices.

A friend likened stimulus packages to taking painkillers - a right amount numbs you from the pain and aids recovery, but too much of it will excite you in a wrong way and kill you after a while.

Fortunately, we have some sensible advice from various quarters.

Sunday Times editorial (5 Jul 2009) advised young couples “not (to) follow the herd blindly” and to “buy an HDB flat first.”

Just yesterday, National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan said, “there are about over 40,000 (private property) units coming onto the market in the next three or four years – I think people must know that.” (ST, Jul 10, 2009; boldface mine)

Even DTZ said that “without a clear recovery in sight for the US and Singapore economies, the price recovery in Q2 2009 is not sustainable and sales volume would be affected if prices continue to rise”. The Q2 price gain is a “blip supported by buyers’ fears of missing the bottom, pent-up demand and low interest rates – rather than economic fundamentals.” (BT, July 4, 2009).

And finally, the government has introduced its first cooling measure since the scrapping of DPS by proposing to impose a capital gains tax on those who sell a second property within 4 years. Citi Research says this tax will “curb any excessive speculation in the market” and “speculators may try to get out of the market early before (the proposed) implementation next year.”

http://www.salary.sg/2009/property-prices-out-of-whack/


Last edited by Salary.sg; 12-07-2009 at 10:08 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 12-07-2009, 10:10 AM
Lucky Tan
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Hi. I took one of your chart of STI vs PPI and noticed a few interesting things about the PPI relationship to the STI.

Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 12-07-2009, 10:12 AM
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 281
admin has disabled reputation
Default

Hi Lucky, I enjoy reading your blog.
What are the “few interesting things” you noticed about my chart at the link below?
Property Prices Have Crashed (see graph) | Salary.sg - Your Salary in Singapore

Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 13-07-2009, 12:48 PM
Tony
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

How much to expect for property taxes? What are the best options in your opinion. Any info much appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Kind Regards,
Tony
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 14-07-2009, 06:04 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 68
quek is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony View Post
How much to expect for property taxes? What are the best options in your opinion. Any info much appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Kind Regards,
Tony
You should factor a max of 20% for property tax. I remember reading this in Straits Times recently.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 17-07-2009, 11:38 AM
The Gale
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

The cooling measure has no effect on the showroom crowds. The Gale condo in Loyang has got overwhelming response selling more than 50% despite a $700psf price tag, just like many other launches all over the island. Do not underestimate the power of heartlanders in Singapore. We are all very wealthy!
Reply With Quote

  #7 (permalink)  
Old 18-07-2009, 09:22 PM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Sigh..Singaporeans...

I just wished that soon there will be lessons for these "scare to lose out" Singaporeans who spolit the property market in a recession time which bubbles are formed, and causes psf prices shoots sky high.
This is crazy! Imagine S$1000psf at Upper Thomas Rd??? My friends at overseas laugh at this until their tooths dropped!
Thank you.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 18-07-2009, 09:42 PM
Gimme a break
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I just wished that soon there will be lessons for these "scare to lose out" Singaporeans who spolit the property market in a recession time which bubbles are formed, and causes psf prices shoots sky high.
This is crazy! Imagine S$1000psf at Upper Thomas Rd??? My friends at overseas laugh at this until their tooths dropped!
Thank you.
All I can say is that these Singaporeans are repeating the same mistakes their "seniors" made in the previous decade. See my comments on the Seaons Park condo case study:
https://forums.salary.sg/investments-....html#post4185
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 18-07-2009, 11:37 PM
Gimme a break
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gimme a break View Post
All I can say is that these Singaporeans are repeating the same mistakes their "seniors" made in the previous decade. See my comments on the Seaons Park condo case study:
https://forums.salary.sg/investments-....html#post4185
If you must buy a place to stay, I suggest you buy HDB or a cheap (and likely old) condo.

If you want to invest, buy stocks not property. Most people buy on leverage and it's likely that interest rates will not stay low forever, putting pressure on yields and hence prices. This will be made worse if income levels do not go up in line with mortgage installments, which is very likely.

Stocks are different. People usually don't buy with leverage. In my view, stocks are much less risky.

Property is a big bet, a very risky bet. You do it wrongly, you may get stuck for a long time. Conversely, if you luck out and got it right, you may be rewarded with returns of hundreds percent. But are you sure you can luck out?


Primary School English Grammar and Vocabulary Drills
Primary School English Grammar and Vocabulary Drills


SG Bus Timing App
SG Bus Timing App - the best bus app - available on iOS and Android


Bursa Stocks Android App - check share prices
Bursa Stocks [Android] App - check latest share prices on the go


SGX Stocks Android App - check share prices
SGX Stocks [Android] App - check latest share prices on the go


SGX Stocks for iPad - check latest Singapore share prices
SGX Stocks [iPad] app
| SGX Stocks [iPhone] app
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
hdb, investment, property, property investment, property prices

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Check property prices Salary.sg Investments and Net Worth 3 22-11-2012 10:49 AM
Property Prices Have Crashed (see graph) Salary.sg Investments and Net Worth 142 22-11-2012 10:26 AM
Hong Kong Property Prices Plunged Salary.sg Investments and Net Worth 1 02-10-2008 06:25 PM
Property Prices Must Plunge (graph included) Salary.sg Investments and Net Worth 35 12-09-2008 08:39 AM
Property Prices Continue To Rise Salary.sg Investments and Net Worth 5 06-04-2008 02:20 AM

» 30 Recent Threads
MAS for Mid Career Professionals ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
1,972 Replies, 1,078,962 Views
Civil Svc/ Statboard - Typical... ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
6,142 Replies, 3,787,347 Views
GovTech ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
5,593 Replies, 2,265,766 Views
HTX (Home Team Science and... ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
808 Replies, 383,272 Views
How is life as a doctor in... ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
7,339 Replies, 3,451,324 Views
Career as Teacher ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
11,153 Replies, 6,820,340 Views
MINDEF DXO (All FAQ on it) ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
5,882 Replies, 4,712,498 Views
NCS (SingTel subsidiary) ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
1,344 Replies, 1,160,741 Views
Roles in accenture singapore ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
7,607 Replies, 2,374,465 Views
Q: Big4 - Yearly salary increment ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
15,854 Replies, 5,081,340 Views
DBS ACE Programme ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
158 Replies, 82,143 Views
Lawyer Salary ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
21,110 Replies, 10,440,059 Views
LTA (Land Transport Authority) ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
736 Replies, 410,150 Views
Any Ministry or Statboard still... ( 1 2)
12 Replies, 12,167 Views
Work culture in CPF board ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
34 Replies, 77,479 Views
Compare civil service salary ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
16,421 Replies, 12,571,686 Views
DSTA (under Mindef) ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
1,497 Replies, 1,397,935 Views
Work culture in IHiS ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
722 Replies, 551,744 Views
Private Banking Salaries ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
83 Replies, 138,514 Views
NUS (National University of... ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
322 Replies, 325,830 Views
Hospital (Private or Public)... ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
761 Replies, 421,576 Views
ST Electronics ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
3,804 Replies, 1,571,052 Views
Shopee fresh grad pay ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
1,053 Replies, 449,762 Views
Ex-MOE Teachers ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
415 Replies, 499,710 Views
IMDA (under MCI) ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
1,280 Replies, 633,839 Views
NCS Tech Graduate Programme or...
4 Replies, 477 Views
Work in SMU ( 1 2)
12 Replies, 4,831 Views
ITE (lecturer) ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
278 Replies, 391,677 Views
ST Engineering Land Systems ( 1 2 3)
24 Replies, 11,714 Views
UOB Management Associate Program ( 1 2 3... Last Page)
1,486 Replies, 803,421 Views
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2



All times are GMT +8. The time now is 09:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2