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tchen003 06-11-2018 01:45 AM

What house should I buy after selling my small condo?
 
I am a 26 year guy who has been working for 2 years after uni. I bought a small condo early this year (parents help+my saving) and currently paying mortgage on my own.

I am planning to move out this condo in 6 year time (year 2024). Reason is: I may have a family (with kid) at that time. A small condo may not be enough.

In order to buy a bigger place, I cant buy BTO or first-hand EC because HDB authoity request applicant no owning priate property or property trading within the last 30 month.

Some options in my mind that need your advice:

Option 1: we (me and future wife) buy a bigger condo under wife name without selling this small condo.

Option 2: sell this condo and buy a bigger resale HDB. Any money left invest into stock,bond, REIT, etc to generate a 4-6% annual return.

Option 3: sell this condo and buy a bigger resale condo.

My personal view:
Option 1 is good. We could own 2 properties with low stamp duty tax. Whats more we could use small condo to rent. However, we may not have enough saving for the heavy downpayment without selling small condo (estimate 500k sgd at least)

Option 2: imagine I sell this condo at 900k sgd and pay the remaining mortage of 500k sgd. i could have 400k spare cash(I paid my mortage using cash). Using 100k for HDB, remaining 300k sgd go to investment. But hdb doesnít retain value.

Option 3: similar to option 2, but all 400k spare cash may need be used as downpayment. I donít favor this option personally.

What do you think?

Unregistered 06-11-2018 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tchen003 (Post 111417)
I am a 26 year guy who has been working for 2 years after uni. I bought a small condo early this year (parents help+my saving) and currently paying mortgage on my own.

I am planning to move out this condo in 6 year time (year 2024). Reason is: I may have a family (with kid) at that time. A small condo may not be enough.

In order to buy a bigger place, I cant buy BTO or first-hand EC because HDB authoity request applicant no owning priate property or property trading within the last 30 month.

Some options in my mind that need your advice:

Option 1: we (me and future wife) buy a bigger condo under wife name without selling this small condo.

Option 2: sell this condo and buy a bigger resale HDB. Any money left invest into stock,bond, REIT, etc to generate a 4-6% annual return.

Option 3: sell this condo and buy a bigger resale condo.

My personal view:
Option 1 is good. We could own 2 properties with low stamp duty tax. Whats more we could use small condo to rent. However, we may not have enough saving for the heavy downpayment without selling small condo (estimate 500k sgd at least)

Option 2: imagine I sell this condo at 900k sgd and pay the remaining mortage of 500k sgd. i could have 400k spare cash(I paid my mortage using cash). Using 100k for HDB, remaining 300k sgd go to investment. But hdb doesnít retain value.

Option 3: similar to option 2, but all 400k spare cash may need be used as downpayment. I donít favor this option personally.

What do you think?

I am in a similar situation as you. My condo will be ready in 3 years time.

My plan is to stay in this condo whether I get married or not by then. If any kids come along the way, I will get a bigger new condo.

There are other considerations you should consider to make the decision.

For me these include central location of the house and living near parents. I don't intend to own a car.

Dont be overly concerned about housing as marriage is not certain as of now. The govenment also makes constant housing or property policy changes. You can just make the decision when things are more firmed up.

Unregistered 07-11-2018 08:45 AM

Option 2 would be my choice


Quote:

Originally Posted by tchen003 (Post 111417)
I am a 26 year guy who has been working for 2 years after uni. I bought a small condo early this year (parents help+my saving) and currently paying mortgage on my own.

I am planning to move out this condo in 6 year time (year 2024). Reason is: I may have a family (with kid) at that time. A small condo may not be enough.

In order to buy a bigger place, I cant buy BTO or first-hand EC because HDB authoity request applicant no owning priate property or property trading within the last 30 month.

Some options in my mind that need your advice:

Option 1: we (me and future wife) buy a bigger condo under wife name without selling this small condo.

Option 2: sell this condo and buy a bigger resale HDB. Any money left invest into stock,bond, REIT, etc to generate a 4-6% annual return.

Option 3: sell this condo and buy a bigger resale condo.

My personal view:
Option 1 is good. We could own 2 properties with low stamp duty tax. Whats more we could use small condo to rent. However, we may not have enough saving for the heavy downpayment without selling small condo (estimate 500k sgd at least)

Option 2: imagine I sell this condo at 900k sgd and pay the remaining mortage of 500k sgd. i could have 400k spare cash(I paid my mortage using cash). Using 100k for HDB, remaining 300k sgd go to investment. But hdb doesnít retain value.

Option 3: similar to option 2, but all 400k spare cash may need be used as downpayment. I donít favor this option personally.

What do you think?


Unregistered 07-11-2018 11:22 AM

Option 1 and 3 is out. More debt n uncertain future will make life edgy for you. Your health and mental state may suffer. Option 2 is best. Go for bto. I'm already sitting on paper gain of more than half a million, of course these days u wont see such a high quantum. But u never know.

tchen003 07-11-2018 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 111439)
Option 2 would be my choice

Thanks for ur input

tchen003 07-11-2018 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 111441)
Option 1 and 3 is out. More debt n uncertain future will make life edgy for you. Your health and mental state may suffer. Option 2 is best. Go for bto. I'm already sitting on paper gain of more than half a million, of course these days u wont see such a high quantum. But u never know.

Thanks.

I guess I cant go for bto given tat I must not have owned condo or transact condo within last 30 months.

Guess resale hdb maybe a choice though value not retained..

Mentos 08-11-2018 12:33 AM

What if there is option number 4? Why don't you rent your condo and buy bigger property in Singapore? Like this you have extra money to pay for your loan and you still have 2 properties at the end of the day... What do you think?

tchen003 08-11-2018 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mentos (Post 111468)
What if there is option number 4? Why don't you rent your condo and buy bigger property in Singapore? Like this you have extra money to pay for your loan and you still have 2 properties at the end of the day... What do you think?

Thanks. This is my option 1 actually.

Detail plan:
year 2018: my small condo worth 750k, my housing loan 600k
year 2024: my small condo worth 900k (assume only), my housing loan 500k.

If I take home equity loan, which is 80% of market price-existing loan-CPF used for payment, I can cash out 900kx80%-500k=220k.

Together with my future wife, we might probably afford downpayment of 500k for a 3rm new condo in OCR area.

But the catch is: we will be on debit of 1.2million....for 30 years......

Unregistered 08-11-2018 08:15 AM

Ask yourself these questions:

1. Are you in a secure job, ie do you see career longevity in your current job?
2. Will you be able handle a financial emergency? Such as expensive medical emergency? This requires at least 6 months of salary on standby all the time.
3. If you own 2 properties and have to handle two housing loans or even just one big loan, will you be able to hack the monthly mortgage payment if there is no rental income for an extended period of time say 2 to 6 months?
4. Will you be ale to handle the mortgage payment on a single salary should your wife decides to take a break to look after your kids?


I am putting out these questions because I have walked the path before, and survived! My wife and I have 2 properties after 10 years of our marriage till today - different properties but always 2. One to stay, one to earn rental.

By the way, we dare go into this because we are both civil servants and already worked 35 years!

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Originally Posted by tchen003 (Post 111469)
Thanks. This is my option 1 actually.

Detail plan:
year 2018: my small condo worth 750k, my housing loan 600k
year 2024: my small condo worth 900k (assume only), my housing loan 500k.

If I take home equity loan, which is 80% of market price-existing loan-CPF used for payment, I can cash out 900kx80%-500k=220k.

Together with my future wife, we might probably afford downpayment of 500k for a 3rm new condo in OCR area.

But the catch is: we will be on debit of 1.2million....for 30 years......


tchen003 08-11-2018 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 111471)
Ask yourself these questions:

1. Are you in a secure job, ie do you see career longevity in your current job?
2. Will you be able handle a financial emergency? Such as expensive medical emergency? This requires at least 6 months of salary on standby all the time.
3. If you own 2 properties and have to handle two housing loans or even just one big loan, will you be able to hack the monthly mortgage payment if there is no rental income for an extended period of time say 2 to 6 months?
4. Will you be ale to handle the mortgage payment on a single salary should your wife decides to take a break to look after your kids?


I am putting out these questions because I have walked the path before, and survived! My wife and I have 2 properties after 10 years of our marriage till today - different properties but always 2. One to stay, one to earn rental.

By the way, we dare go into this because we are both civil servants and already worked 35 years!

That's really useful advice from the experienced. Thanks!!!

I will talk about numbers based on estimation:

Year 2024, I cash out 220k SGD from my 900k SGD small condo. This loan is 30 year tenure at interest rate 2% pa. Therefore, monthly mortgage is 739 SGD.

Year 2024, we buy a 3rm condo in OCR at 1.5 million price under my wife name. [email protected]%=375k. [email protected] ONLY (assume wife Singaporean, no property under her name) = 44600, miscellaneous fee (legal, etc) =10k. Total estimate 430k SGD. Loan 1.125million for 30 year tenure at interest rate 2%pa. Therefore monthly mortage is 4158 SGD.

Total monthly mortage = 739+4158=4897 SGD or 5000 SGD to be safe. The small condo can rent out at 2000 SGD per month.
Our monthly salary should be above 12k SGD/per month in year 2024.

So back to your questions:

Q1: I work as IT support in banks. It's a relative more stable job compare to traders or dealers. However I havent finalized my career path yet.

Q2:I have ISP, Rider, ECI (multiple) to support me in case of illness. However I dun have emergency fund now.

Q3: Given my family monthly income at at least 12k per month with 5k monthly mortage, I think it's a bit challenging and need careful planning.

Q4: If wife stay at home. Very challenging for me given that my salary need go to kid, parent, mortage, family and probably myself. Unless I can earn 12k per month in 2024

Unregistered 08-11-2018 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tchen003 (Post 111479)
That's really useful advice from the experienced. Thanks!!!

I will talk about numbers based on estimation:

Year 2024, I cash out 220k SGD from my 900k SGD small condo. This loan is 30 year tenure at interest rate 2% pa. Therefore, monthly mortgage is 739 SGD.

Year 2024, we buy a 3rm condo in OCR at 1.5 million price under my wife name. [email protected]%=375k. [email protected] ONLY (assume wife Singaporean, no property under her name) = 44600, miscellaneous fee (legal, etc) =10k. Total estimate 430k SGD. Loan 1.125million for 30 year tenure at interest rate 2%pa. Therefore monthly mortage is 4158 SGD.

Total monthly mortage = 739+4158=4897 SGD or 5000 SGD to be safe. The small condo can rent out at 2000 SGD per month.
Our monthly salary should be above 12k SGD/per month in year 2024.

So back to your questions:

Q1: I work as IT support in banks. It's a relative more stable job compare to traders or dealers. However I havent finalized my career path yet.

Q2:I have ISP, Rider, ECI (multiple) to support me in case of illness. However I dun have emergency fund now.

Q3: Given my family monthly income at at least 12k per month with 5k monthly mortage, I think it's a bit challenging and need careful planning.

Q4: If wife stay at home. Very challenging for me given that my salary need go to kid, parent, mortage, family and probably myself. Unless I can earn 12k per month in 2024

You have to take note if you can still support the mortgage if there is unemployment.

Understand your needs and priority when choosing a home.

My priority is location near city area where my parents are. I managed to get a condo near my parents n workplace. The condo will be ready in 3 years so mortgage is not in full yet.

I have buffer funds in cpf and cash during emergency to pay for mortgage.

tchen003 08-11-2018 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 111481)
You have to take note if you can still support the mortgage if there is unemployment.

Understand your needs and priority when choosing a home.

My priority is location near city area where my parents are. I managed to get a condo near my parents n workplace. The condo will be ready in 3 years so mortgage is not in full yet.

I have buffer funds in cpf and cash during emergency to pay for mortgage.

Yes, keep enough fund in CPF for mortage in case of unemployment

Unregistered 05-06-2019 03:32 PM

Option 2 is better in my opinion

Unregistered 05-06-2019 04:14 PM

you useless child, work already still need parents help buy condo. shame on u

Unregistered 07-06-2019 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 120020)
you useless child, work already still need parents help buy condo. shame on u

+1

shd just buy hdb

Saluters 03-07-2019 05:09 AM

Can't exactly give a good recommendation in my opinion because I have only invested some money in One Pearl Bank condo(https://www.onepearlbank-official.com.sg/location/) and I am going to receive money from renting. If I want to sell it sometime in the future I think that I will invest in an online business.

Unregistered 06-08-2019 02:10 AM

Think you all better wake up n freeze whatever thots of owning a OCR condo. You think your job will be secured continuously for the next 10years. Think again. Business environment is so much different n will be much more in years to come. Look ar the numerous trade spats, tariffs here n there...you might say whats wrong with that as they are always there in the first place but the world is different now. In 30 yrs or so, you will be an old person n from now till then, you better plan where are your retirement expenses coming from. If you are thinking of paying hefty mortage when you should be building your retirement sum, you will suffer during the next 30yrs after retirement. Yes enjoy first suffer later! Good luck. Lower your expectations.....why buy an expensive condo with debt and work for the bank just to show off. My god, pls wake up!!!

St1neGrab 21-05-2020 09:55 PM

If you know how to repair a house or know someone who will repair your house for a cheap price, it will be more profitable to buy a small house that requires some repairs. We did this and saved some money. Because, as a rule, renovated houses are much more expensive. I am lucky that my husband can do a lot of things himself, this knowledge came to him from his father, who was a carpenter. And for the restoration of windows, we invited workers who are the only ones in the city who are engaged in high volume window resurfacing. And now our house looks great.

Unregistered 24-05-2020 10:34 PM

option 4. since parents already helping. ask them to help more?

Bleland 10-12-2020 02:19 AM

Contact a real estate agent that will help you with this question

Bleland 11-12-2020 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vynryal (Post 150960)
Nice advices, but what if my parents need senior living community and I lived in their house. This house will be for sale soon.

Hello Vynryal. Your question is interesting but some key details would make life easier. Where do you stay (state, city)? How much time do you have before the house will be under real estate agency work. Would recommend assisted living community Minneapolis as most interesting and safe places for your relatives to live and spend their time together. They have strong values and interesting lifestyle for their residents. Besides that big campus is present where daily walks are filled with smiles. They have church and many entertainment programs to fill days with many possible interesting things.

ArnoldWilder 03-02-2021 02:24 AM

It depends on what you want. But I want to suggest you take an inspection company that controls all the house for providing you all the problems of the house. I can recommend you the Total Home Inspections by thinspect because their team is the best in this domain and they will give a detailed report on what they found. I was very satisfied with their work because I live in a house that was controlled by them and they were right in everything that they found. I hope that you will find a good house.

Unregistered 10-06-2021 02:19 AM

I still live in a condominium and I'm not planning on leaving because I find it very convenient. A house requires a lot more finances and not only.

StewartHemmings 15-06-2021 09:29 PM

Obviously, the house needs to be bought the one for which there is enough money. The price of real estate depends on a vast number of factors. If your small condo is located in a large city center, it may cost more than a whole house elsewhere. Need a little more specifics. If it's not just about the price, listen not only to your brain but also to your heart. You should be pleased to be there. Some things cannot be changed. For example, I didn't like the plaque with the house number. I quickly changed it to a new adorable plaque https://baliandboo.com/collections/house-signs. But perhaps there will be things with which it will become difficult to measure, and it will be impossible to change them.


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