Advice needed!! SPF Senior police officer vs. Private Sector
Hi guys.
I just graduated from NTU with 2nd lower class Honours. I am in a dilemma right now. Recently, I am offered a senior police officer position which offers me about 3.5k/month. I also got another offer from a japanese chemical MNC which offers me about $2.8k/month, mainly doing sales of chemical products. I am not sure which one to choose.. in terms of salary in the long run and also the prospect of both position.. Please advise... any inputs will be greatly appreciated.. |
i would ask you to take the MNC job (I am suspecting it would be hitachi). The chemical industry is pretty stable and you can use that to move to something else later. Police officer, on the hand, regardless of the high starting pay, counts as nothing in the real world. I suspect that you are not a scholar, so there is a glass ceiling for you. If you are content with younger scholars as your boss in the future, that is fine. Upside is limited as a police officer.
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Congrates to you to have both positions been offered to you.
As a 2nd lower grad you get $3500 as starting pay, is this a new revision of salary? Last time I apply for senior police officer in 2007 july, the pay for 2nd lower with NS is abt $3380. PS: I did not manage to pass the psychometric test, so no more SPO for me. If you want a long term career till you retired, I would recommend you to sign on police, as the benefit are really good, got the police retirement account scheme. I think your salary of $3500 also havent include the relevant allowances you are getting (mean that your gross monthly salary could be from than $4000++), 1 bad thing is that maybe you are required to work shift, standby duty(especially on major event, ndp, yog, IMF...etc, work on weekend/ holiday. Also the annual package is about 16 months for average performer for civil servant, of course good/outstanding gets more. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As for private sector, I don't know, from other forum, people do complained over work OT without OT pay because u are under 'executive grade' for a mere $2800...also sometimes you are also required to work in holiday/weekend....which is fark up. Also dunno your chemical company pay AWS?? How is your annual package for this company? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In term of annual package>>>SPF If you like to jump ship alot >>>chemical company |
Someone once gave the best career advice to me and I still practice it till today. In life, having options is more powerful than any amount of money or pay. In another words, pick something and work towards something that makes you 'marketable'. You want to work towards a stage in your life where headhunters are calling you on a regular basis. In the old days, the gratuity package for army, police or even some petroleum companies is sizable. These days, with the current cost of living, it is very little. Anything less than 200k S$ by the time you retire at 50 or 55 (I am talking about 25 to 30 years down the road) is not enough if you work in inflation and consider time value of money. The gratuity pay out has not kept up with inflation and jobs in the army and police are not as attractive as it used to be. To give you an example, 15 years a go, I knew of someone cashing out 150k S$ and that was sufficient to pay for his son's overseas education with some left for retirement. Today, 150kS$ will barely pay for 3-4 years education at some Ivy league tuition fees.
If I were you, I will pick the chemical sales job. you are still young, easy to change jobs and career direction if it doesn't fit you. Once you join the police and get used to 3500/month, it will be difficult to adjust to a lower pay if you decide to leave the force. |
Another factor to consider is interest. It is difficult to sustain a job, if you are not enthusiastic about it, regardless of how well it pays. Of course, if you like police work, go for it. Liking one's work also makes it easier to excel in it.
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Thank you everyone for their advices. Really appreciate them. =)
Is it true that the private sector's compensation is going to be much more than police in the long run? I heard salary increment can be quite little in the private sector as compared to police.. Is it true? |
Senior police officer salary increment and bonus
Hi guys
Anyone knows what's a civil servant, senior police officer in particular, annual compensation package be like for a average performer? 15 months? Does anyone also know how's their annual salary increment? Is it like what I saw from other forums which is a healthy 200-300 dollars a year not including promotion? Will appreciate any form of input! Thank you! |
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Hi there.
I am also a fresh NTU grad. It sounds like you graduated from engineering? Anyways I have been working for just over a month now (started on 1st June) and I'm getting 3k in a US MNC. I am not sure about SPF, but when I was job hunting, the thought of being in the public sector never crossed my mind, because I knew that even though I had a 2nd upper, there would always be a scholar who would promote faster than me. After 1 month of working here, I feel that actually being in the public sector isn't such a bad thing. In my company, I work at least 12 hours a day. My basic pay plus transport allowance plus overtime probably wouldn't match what I would be getting in the public sector. However, in terms of opportunity in career development, I still think that being in the private sector is much more rewarding. My work is challenging and it keeps my mind very active. I am put into situations which are far beyond my comfort zone. However, I think it must be put into perspective that I am only one month into the job and I myself am unsure if I can take this for a lifetime. Maybe it is possible to enjoy the same thrill of challenges and have a good pay package in another public service division like MAS or something like that. |
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When I was in a government agency, I sometimes put in 100-hour weeks to deliver projects. But only the junior engineers stayed late. The senior guys get the good life. One of them even took regular naps in the office. I now work in a foreign bank. Again, not everyone works late. It seems more of a choice. If you can deliver good work (and your boss appreciates that), it doesn't matter whether you work later or not. |
Hello!
I would say there're more doors that are still waiting to be opened for you, and for me, in the private sector. I did IA at one of the stat board and I found the job was simply unexciting, totally not challenging, and everyday life was cruelly boring, to the point that I took leave once or twice a month, so I only got a B grade for the attachment -.-" By the way, I simply have a Pass degree. Yet, I was offered a 45K annual package, which is incredible considering my GPA/CAP, working in a foreign MNC. I was very happy that the company recognised my effort spent in participating in CCAs and part-time jobs, and offered me a great package based on my potential and capabilities, rather than grades alone. Thus, knowing how profitable oil/gas/chemical industry is and how a salesperson's earning is highly dependent on performance (i.e. hitting/going beyond sales target), you can prove yourself worthwhile to the company in your own way... can you do that as a police officer? Cheers! |
a few comments:
1) not all public service jobs are the same. There are some interesting ones which have market value after working there for a couple of years. MAS comes to mind. maybe some statutory boards where it allows you to interact with various business sectors etc. Police and Army, however, counts as nothing in terms of relevant experience in the real world. 2) you cannot compare hours and starting pay for private versus public sector. Public sector will always offer better starting pay and offer better hours in the first few years. However, you trade initial lower pay for better opportunities in the future in terms of work experience and increasing your market value. There will be people who prefer stability, in that case, stick to public sector. If you take the bell curve distribution, your pay will always fall under the mean or median. It will never be possible to move up the curve if you don't take any risks at all. 3) think longer term and also think outside of singapore as well. Singapore is not the only place in the world with great jobs. Start thinking where you will like to be in a few years time and use your first job as a base to launch you forward. |
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Either (1) take the MNC job or (2) scout around for more options. In NO case do you take up the SPF job. Not without a scholarship. You will be at the lowest end of the food chain and at every turn you will be reminded that you are lesser than the lowest scholar. At each posting and pay adjustment, more and more scholars younger than you will overtake you and become your seniors, or become your supervisor and eventually become your commander. If you have not dreamt of becoming a policeman all your life, then just forget it. The good starting pay is a trap. You get stuck in lots and lots of paper work and bureaucratic reporting. In any case, policing is no longer what it used to be. Do not be fooled by TV roles and Hollywood. You do not fight for justice and the well being of victims. Even if you do, you do not get the credit. But you do see a lot of ugly things and how the system fails people in need of help. You will be disillusioned and disappointed. <Unregistered> who replied to your first is right. There is very little upside even if you persevere and try your very best for 10 to 15 years. So my personal advice is: DON'T. |
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Males should clarify about their NS obligations (reservist) before signing on the saf or some of the home team divisions. Don't blur blur sign on.
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casino salaries
ex-police officer (also overseas scholar) became head security officer at local casino. his salary was $25k a month. how do i know? it was reported in the law reports of his divorce case with his full name. he was a graduate from oxford and a friend of my sister's.
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Casino security head
name is tan puay kern. divorce cases are only on-line for 3 months. do use google for interesting developments
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the fact that you are asking for opinions on whether to join the mnc or spf with pay as a huge contributing factor to your choice of career proves to me that you are unsuitable to join spf.
people do not join spf to get rich. if you want to earn big bucks, spf is not the way to go. spf pay will allow you to have an above avg lifestyle, not a luxurious one. to naysayers who feel that spf/saf personnel has no intrinsic value in th private sector, pls think again. they do formulate policies and look at global economic and financial climate vis a vis manpower/operational/security policies. not all police officers or soldiers are dumb and are unable to survive in th real world. |
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My advice is to take the SPF job. I have tasted both public and private sector life. So what if the high posts are reserved for the scholars. For an average graduate, civil service offers a much better pay, work-life balance as compared to the average graduate slogging out in the dog-eat dog world of the private sector.
Trust me, you need more than ability and luck to earn big bucks in the private sector. Unless you think you are of exceptional calibre, it is better to stick to public sector. Big bucks can be earned elsewhere outside of work eg through prudent investments, trading etc. Do not let work (especially so in private sector) suck up all your energy for other such money pursuits. |
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even PM Lee once lamented he got an email announcement from a civil servant at midnight. the irony is that the announcement was something on maintaining work-life balance. he said this in one of his national day rally speeches. |
was a junior officer in SPF for abt 8yrs & left as SSSgt. Got an office hr post in Div HQ & then Police HQ after 2+yrs on the beat. Got my degree when i did my part time studies in SPF. Left for corporate security related jobs & 6yrs after i left, i'm drawing >$10k now.
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i am intending to sign on CPIB IO
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have to study law too, just afraid one day if i have to leave the service...where to head to? Of course if CPIB treat me well, i will stay..all about passion. Izzit really hard to enter corporate security related job aft years of service in the enforcement? |
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anyone work in CPIB??
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After u quit, i tink the banks will take in ppl wif your background/experience, esp for corporate investigation roles involving fraud, etc. Not too hard to enter corp security but it's also abt the rite timing. Good luck. |
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Not sure hows their working hrs .. Cannot b working whole day and investigate non stop right? There are so many cases to conduct investigation and officer need to sleep too..
And izzit really hard to find Job after years of service with cpib? Heard they paying out lump sum aft few years of service |
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but wondering wanna join...no one in CPIB to give advice and they normally dont speak up after they are in..secretive |
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I am in interested in being a cpio as well any info?
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Am interested in SPO and CPIO, any advise on the career prospect and if i leave where can one go which value the years of experience.
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