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17-02-2013, 08:18 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
Bosses with low CEP can't help you much.
And not all bosses are fair and benevolent.
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i think you've confused bosses with reporting supervisors. bosses that can influence your cep should be a superscale officer at director level. so in that sense, he is already a senior civil servant.
unless you're Div2/3 officers doing manual/routine works, then it's possible for the cep assessment to be delegated down.
as for fairness, i would say CS in general is fair. When i come across co-workers that complain unfairness, i would say 99% of the time they are actually incompetent and lazy themselves (in my heart).
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17-02-2013, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cslee
i think you've confused bosses with reporting supervisors. bosses that can influence your cep should be a superscale officer at director level. so in that sense, he is already a senior civil servant.
unless you're Div2/3 officers doing manual/routine works, then it's possible for the cep assessment to be delegated down.
as for fairness, i would say CS in general is fair. When i come across co-workers that complain unfairness, i would say 99% of the time they are actually incompetent and lazy themselves (in my heart).
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Div2/3 is dip and below?
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17-02-2013, 08:43 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
Div2/3 is dip and below?
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In general, yes. Paper qualifications determine your starting point. However, it's also getting grey nowadays. I've seen dip holders converted to Div 1 (though not common).
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17-02-2013, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cslee
In general, yes. Paper qualifications determine your starting point. However, it's also getting grey nowadays. I've seen dip holders converted to Div 1 (though not common).
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Maybe those converted one finished their part time degree?
Do you know does most ministry consider private degree to be place under Div 1?
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17-02-2013, 09:53 PM
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one bad thing abt CS is that someone must fill the lowest grade for annual appraisal no matter how good one is performing.
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17-02-2013, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
one bad thing abt CS is that someone must fill the lowest grade for annual appraisal no matter how good one is performing.
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This also applied to the private sector, especially MNC.
Not everyone can get the same increment.
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17-02-2013, 11:09 PM
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Super Member
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
Maybe those converted one finished their part time degree?
Do you know does most ministry consider private degree to be place under Div 1?
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There are 2 types of conversion. Div 2 to Div I position on Div 2 scheme - this is common for part-time degree upgrade. What I meant is Div 2 to Div 1 position on Div 1 scheme.
2 factors to consider:
1) HR recognise the degrees?
2) how your boss "push" for you
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18-02-2013, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
This also applied to the private sector, especially MNC.
Not everyone can get the same increment.
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i have seen that happened in MNCs
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18-02-2013, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
i have not seen that happened in MNCs
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i have not seen that happened in MNCs. I got a shock when I heard such a thing exist in CS for the first time
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18-02-2013, 02:06 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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Hey, sorry to sidetrack, but I need advice regarding employment at the Civil Service.
I am a final year student from SIM-UoL taking Bsc Economics. Secured 2nd Upper Honors, but expect to graduate with 1st Class (not trying to troll or boast, but I really studied hard and love the subject).
I am interested to work in finance, economics, trade and business-related ministries and statutory boards: EDB, MAS, Spring Singapore, IE Singapore, Ministry of Finance/Foreign Affairs/Defence.
Three Questions:
1. Do they hire SIM students (your existing colleagues) for Research, Policy, Planning or Finance-related roles?
2. Are there be certain departments that are "off limits" (be it official or unofficial) to private degree graduates?
3. Is it possible to become a scholar after joining the civil service?
Last edited by Alex; 18-02-2013 at 02:07 AM.
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