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Unregistered 04-06-2020 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 136686)
I'm confused, are you bashing the 2.2k guy or not? Because I'm pretty sure he's been cordial in all his posts. I think the only reason he stated that he was from NUS was because other posters felt that knowing where his degree came from would be helpful in assessing his situation.

Dislike ok boomer as well, but people need to realize that it's being used by the younger generation even in conversations between themselves. I was confused when a younger colleague used it on a fresh hire, but then was told that the meme transitioned into aiming at outdated opinions rather than just boomers specifically - which I feel is fair. But I still hate the phrase regardless.

Not targeting the 2.2K guy definitely. I sympathize with his plight. Noted on your explanation on the use of boomer. Nonetheless, still think it's inappropriate for spoilt immature brats to use such condescending term as though they are the wise sage that knows everything.

Unregistered 04-06-2020 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 136685)
Suggest maybe you can send an application first and see if you are being called up before we talk about the pay. To be honest, not sure if they will be paying you 5K and above given your private degree and current pay coupled with the challenging economic environment. But no harm trying your luck.

Yeah absolutely. I've since sent in my applications - it's a waiting game now. Thanks!

Unregistered 04-06-2020 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 136683)
i think earlier someone entered at 29, at MX11A equivalent.

Ah I must have missed this. I guess my concern was also I'm holding onto a pte deg, it makes alot of difference in this scenario.

Thanks again!

Unregistered 04-06-2020 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 136679)
$5k is within mx12 salary scale. in your case, could be offered mx12 but salary point is up to hiring min/sb to offer. depending on exact role, experience relevancy, skills suitabity, how your interview went, hr hiring policy etc etc.

would be great if offer matches your current salary.
would be a bonus if offer is higher than your current salary.
would not be surprised if offer is lower than your current salary.

Thanks for this! You are right - would need to manage my expectations in this climate.

I've since applied for the roles. My ask would be 5k min, as a discussion starter.

Unregistered 04-06-2020 10:27 PM

Lol this was such a juicy thread.

For 2.2k guy: just take it for now. As mentioned by several people, fresh grads have little to no bargaining power so you can probably forget about asking for an increase. From HR's point of view, internships and whatever short stints you previously had basically amount to 0 work experience. That said, it's sad that 2.2 is going to be your starting rate (i empathize, i really do) but a start somewhere is better than going nowhere.

You should also consider that the economy is not in your favor right now (as much as i wish it was), and everyone else is also starting at a dismal market rate, so you can use this as some sort of consolation that you're not the only one being low balled i guess...

NOT TO SAY that degrees are worthless now, but in this economy, yes they have lost much of their MARKET VALUE so don't expect to have employers match up to previous market rates.

As for the other fresh grads that had a bone to pick with the comment which set off this contention, take it w a pinch of salt because there is honestly some merit to be gleaned from whatever he said about fresh grads' bargaining power and worth in the workforce.

Unregistered 04-06-2020 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 136680)
Most people are okay with the questions asked by the 2.2K NUS guys. What's disgusting is the follow up comments from some jokers who think it's interesting to turn this thread into a boomer thrashing thread, thinking that they are god sent saviour for the world, when he is just a worthless fresh grad in this challenging job market who needs to face with the reality of settling for a 2K plus job. If the person had shown more humility, he wouldn't have been thrashed like mad by the rest. I am honestly happy that this joker will now need to settle for a sub-standard starting pay or remain unemployed. This will show him his rightful place and let him learn the value of humility.

Shut up boomer.

Unregistered 05-06-2020 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 136725)
Shut up boomer.

Manage to land a job that pays beyond 2.5K? :)

Unregistered 05-06-2020 05:47 AM

What's the salary difference between second upper and lower for local uni engineering fresh graduate? Will it have an impact on my career progression scheme?

Unregistered 05-06-2020 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 136720)
Lol this was such a juicy thread.

For 2.2k guy: just take it for now. As mentioned by several people, fresh grads have little to no bargaining power so you can probably forget about asking for an increase. From HR's point of view, internships and whatever short stints you previously had basically amount to 0 work experience. That said, it's sad that 2.2 is going to be your starting rate (i empathize, i really do) but a start somewhere is better than going nowhere.

You should also consider that the economy is not in your favor right now (as much as i wish it was), and everyone else is also starting at a dismal market rate, so you can use this as some sort of consolation that you're not the only one being low balled i guess...

NOT TO SAY that degrees are worthless now, but in this economy, yes they have lost much of their MARKET VALUE so don't expect to have employers match up to previous market rates.

As for the other fresh grads that had a bone to pick with the comment which set off this contention, take it w a pinch of salt because there is honestly some merit to be gleaned from whatever he said about fresh grads' bargaining power and worth in the workforce.


This is the asshole who said what has to be said. This is not in response to the quoted comment, responding this way makes it easier to keep track of the conversation.

I have made 2 posts so far regarding this matter and this will be my last one. My final comments on this matter are as follows:

(1) There is no longer any point in continuing this conversation. The existing difference in opinion is occasioned by diametrically opposing belief systems. Neither side is willing to consider that the other might be correct in their analysis of the current job market. Only time will tell. I will leave it to do its job.

(2) I think the best way to survive this crisis is to take a socialist slant towards our expectations of life - Everyone takes a cut today (trust me when i say it is really bad in some circles) so that we can prosper together tomorrow. My issue is not that taxpayer money is being used to support the traineeships (which is why it was a by the way point) - my issue is that despite knowing that FOUR budgets have been released this year resulting is god know how much deficit to the country's budget - there is still a selfish streak of "i deserve more because im a grad and have done internships". Everyone is suffering, having a degree and having done internships does not make you special. Take a hit now. You will be rewarded when the economy recovers. This is why one part of cs bonus is tagged to the performance of the economy.

(3) My hope is that all fresh grads can find jobs because that means you can kick start the recovery process by contributing to society in the form of your taxes...and of course being financially responsible for yourself so you don't become a burden to the state. If you can find a 3.5k/4.6k job - even better, you contribute more to the recovery of the economy. I hope all of you find your 3.5k/4.6k jobs. Like i said, only time will tell.

Unregistered 05-06-2020 10:39 AM

For the 2.2k guy, you mentioned it's a traineeship, I do see it as some form of apprenticeship which one would be paid an allowance (for sustenance) rather than a full salary. If you get to speak to HR, clarify the following with them:
- grade which you are employed under (if tagged to MX, even better, you should be MX12)
- expressed that the salary offered is rather low compared to the market (know your market rate)
- you said that they would give an increment after a few months? How much? Is that considered a promotion? If so, grade?

A decent HR person should be able to tell you your grade emplacement. If not tagged to MX, they should be able to help to bridge to MX equivalent.

If your HR cannot provide answers to the above, accept the job and continue looking. If you are really keen on the traineeship, then complete it and see how later. Have a short-term plan, some foresight. You will be graded based on how far you can think and be prepared for what would come.

Some agencies/HR do shortchange staff - fresh grad or not. I joined an agency thinking that my grade was tagged to MX11 (provided by HR) only to found out that it was MX12 when I received my appraisal.

For the "boomer" callers, well, if you want to join CS/PS, you will have to work with A LOT of them. Your CEs/DSs/PSs are all "boomers". They are hard to convince and you have to find a way to convince them. No matter how open to innovation they are, there will still be reservations - at their level a lot is at stake. So, when things don't move, you'll just have to find your way. If you have to resort to labeling, perhaps you could drop CS/PS and go for a more innovative environment in the private sector.


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