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Old 05-09-2019, 12:07 AM
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Hi, I am a fresh grad from ntu, just wondering what is a reasonable Starting salary for social science student with fch, and completed ns, If I want to apply for government jobs like MFA, MSF, etc?
2018, my NTU friend social science FCH, MCI offered him $3.8k monthly gross basic.

A social science NTU friend FCH got a job at MFA this year, said his gross monthly basic around $4.5k. So I think it really is close to $5k gross basic.

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Thanks 4 sharing. So it's a 2 yr contract but the first year is on probation, which means u can be sacked after the first yr for failing probation, and again during the 2nd yr if contract not renewed? After that will convert to perm?
First year on probation, but HR told me 99% chance will be emplaced, cos you by then already know how things work etc. Unless you screw up really really really big time somehow lah.

So basically after/during first year will be emplaced (converted to permanent) 99% chance.

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2018, my NTU friend social science FCH, MCI offered him $3.8k monthly gross basic.

A social science NTU friend FCH got a job at MFA this year, said his gross monthly basic around $4.5k. So I think it really is close to $5k gross basic.
Remuneration can vary from person to person but for males with NS and FCH (although virtually everyone there has a FCH with some kind of scholarship or award to their name - if not an Ivy League / Oxbridge degree), the typical starting pay for the Foreign Service is several hundreds more than the amount your friend shared - so you can work out the figure from there.

This also excludes the usual gamut of allowances accorded to a FSO, which can be rather substantial.

Noting this, the Foreign Service is perhaps the only scheme outside of the Legal Service that is adequately remunerated to attract law graduates - and indeed, a significant proportion of the candidates who enter the Foreign Service are lawyers.

Having said this, we are talking about possibly the most prestigious and challenging position civil service-wide - by far (I say this having had the benefit of undergoing selections at many other Ministries). The annual intake numbers can be smaller than half your primary school class.

The work (and the hours!) is also not for the faint of heart as they deal with real world issues which impact our everyday lives at a level unimaginable to the lay person.

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anyone who has transferred service within civil service able to advise if you choose transfer of service instead of leaving and rejoining the new place, would the grading in your previous job affect how they would see/grade you in the new job?

For e.g, if you were not graded that well in the previous job, would it affect your future grading in the new place? Vice versa if you were graded very well in the previous job, would if influence them to give you a good grading in your new job as well.
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anyone who has transferred service within civil service able to advise if you choose transfer of service instead of leaving and rejoining the new place, would the grading in your previous job affect how they would see/grade you in the new job?

For e.g, if you were not graded that well in the previous job, would it affect your future grading in the new place? Vice versa if you were graded very well in the previous job, would if influence them to give you a good grading in your new job as well.
CEP is transferred so route of advancement remains the same if nothing spectacular changes.
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anyone who has transferred service within civil service able to advise if you choose transfer of service instead of leaving and rejoining the new place, would the grading in your previous job affect how they would see/grade you in the new job?

For e.g, if you were not graded that well in the previous job, would it affect your future grading in the new place? Vice versa if you were graded very well in the previous job, would if influence them to give you a good grading in your new job as well.
If you have a good past record, you should go for a transfer of service because your past records and CEP gets transferred over. You also get to keep you years in service (get long service award faster, get additional 3 days of leave when you hit 10 years in service). More importantly, at the yearly ranking, HR and your bosses at the new place needs to take into account your previous work experiences and track record when they do your ranking and decide whether to promote you a not.

The only reason you should resign instead of a transfer of service is when you have a very bad record in your previous place (i.e. C-s and Ds or worse kena discipline case; Cs are not cosnidered bad grades in civil service, just normal) OR the new place offers you a huge jump in your salary from your previous place (at least 20% increase).

Note that to do a transfer of service, you need to be in the same generic civil service scheme. (e.g. MX to MX). Specialist schemes like DXO, FSO, IO, GEO, you will need to resign even when you are moving to another part of the civil service. Public services like stat boards are not on the same civil service schemes.

Source: direct experience of doing a transfer of service
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Remuneration can vary from person to person but for males with NS and FCH (although virtually everyone there has a FCH with some kind of scholarship or award to their name - if not an Ivy League / Oxbridge degree), the typical starting pay for the Foreign Service is several hundreds more than the amount your friend shared - so you can work out the figure from there.

This also excludes the usual gamut of allowances accorded to a FSO, which can be rather substantial.

Noting this, the Foreign Service is perhaps the only scheme outside of the Legal Service that is adequately remunerated to attract law graduates - and indeed, a significant proportion of the candidates who enter the Foreign Service are lawyers.

Having said this, we are talking about possibly the most prestigious and challenging position civil service-wide - by far (I say this having had the benefit of undergoing selections at many other Ministries). The annual intake numbers can be smaller than half your primary school class.

The work (and the hours!) is also not for the faint of heart as they deal with real world issues which impact our everyday lives at a level unimaginable to the lay person.
Ya but provided you are able to last long in the job. I have so many friends who joined MFA as FSOs but quit within the year (too many horror stories). At its best, you get to represent Singapore's interests in the international stage. At its worst, you're just a highly paid glorified secretary trying to book flights and hotels for your bosses and planning meeting schedules and writing the 17th version of the minutes for the meeting your boss attended with his bosses.

That's why MFA generally hire lawyers, because law is probably the profession that has the worst work-life balance.
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Ya but provided you are able to last long in the job. I have so many friends who joined MFA as FSOs but quit within the year (too many horror stories). At its best, you get to represent Singapore's interests in the international stage. At its worst, you're just a highly paid glorified secretary trying to book flights and hotels for your bosses and planning meeting schedules and writing the 17th version of the minutes for the meeting your boss attended with his bosses.

That's why MFA generally hire lawyers, because law is probably the profession that has the worst work-life balance.
This is accurate. The previous poster only saw or heard the glam. Where there really isn't any. At least not until yous reach a rather high rank. Even scholars do such menial task as booking hotels and planning itinerary. And setting up tables for meals.

And the starting pay shared above is accurate for non-scholars.
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second this. I see a lot of linkedin profiles those who join MFA after graduation usually quit within 1-2 years and join other stat boards/ministries.

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Ya but provided you are able to last long in the job. I have so many friends who joined MFA as FSOs but quit within the year (too many horror stories). At its best, you get to represent Singapore's interests in the international stage. At its worst, you're just a highly paid glorified secretary trying to book flights and hotels for your bosses and planning meeting schedules and writing the 17th version of the minutes for the meeting your boss attended with his bosses.

That's why MFA generally hire lawyers, because law is probably the profession that has the worst work-life balance.
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Thanks for the detailed advise! This was really helpful =)

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If you have a good past record, you should go for a transfer of service because your past records and CEP gets transferred over. You also get to keep you years in service (get long service award faster, get additional 3 days of leave when you hit 10 years in service). More importantly, at the yearly ranking, HR and your bosses at the new place needs to take into account your previous work experiences and track record when they do your ranking and decide whether to promote you a not.

The only reason you should resign instead of a transfer of service is when you have a very bad record in your previous place (i.e. C-s and Ds or worse kena discipline case; Cs are not cosnidered bad grades in civil service, just normal) OR the new place offers you a huge jump in your salary from your previous place (at least 20% increase).

Note that to do a transfer of service, you need to be in the same generic civil service scheme. (e.g. MX to MX). Specialist schemes like DXO, FSO, IO, GEO, you will need to resign even when you are moving to another part of the civil service. Public services like stat boards are not on the same civil service schemes.

Source: direct experience of doing a transfer of service
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