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Old 15-04-2019, 10:44 AM
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not sure about the pay range and progression.. but ministry typical gives a nicer title.. ie AD in a ministry is equivalent to a manager in some of the SB
However in my experience, AD in ministry is really paid as AD. Whereas Manager in SB can be paid like AM in ministry.

If salary is an indication of the demands, then AD in ministry is not equivalent manager in SB.

Manager in SB usually are not involved in strategy, they only take instruction from HOD and manage the operations staff or the vendors. In SB, AD can be considered HOD. They do get involved in strategy with upper management.

This is my opinion. I have heard of others also saying what you suggested, my opinion is they don't understand the nuances of each role. In their simplified perspective AM, M SM is all manager. AD, D, XD is all director.

Of course, when doing the real work it is not so clear cut plus everyone want to shine to be promoted thus the boundary is very grey. A person who wants to move from M to SM will always involve themselves in strategy though it is not required of them.

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However in my experience, AD in ministry is really paid as AD. Whereas Manager in SB can be paid like AM in ministry.

If salary is an indication of the demands, then AD in ministry is not equivalent manager in SB.

Manager in SB usually are not involved in strategy, they only take instruction from HOD and manage the operations staff or the vendors. In SB, AD can be considered HOD. They do get involved in strategy with upper management.

This is my opinion. I have heard of others also saying what you suggested, my opinion is they don't understand the nuances of each role. In their simplified perspective AM, M SM is all manager. AD, D, XD is all director.

Of course, when doing the real work it is not so clear cut plus everyone want to shine to be promoted thus the boundary is very grey. A person who wants to move from M to SM will always involve themselves in strategy though it is not required of them.
i am a AD in one of the ministry drawing less than 7k. my friend is a Manager in a SB drawing more than me. a Manager in my ministry is drawing only 5k plus. of cose i am also aware there are other smaller SB that had a DD equivalent to my level of salary.

You may be right about the job scope though since in general, we in Ministry are the one who work on the strategic routemap while SB are the one who execute it.

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From my limited understanding, promotion usually means 500 odd dollars, increment usually 3-6% more commonly closer to 6%. Those people who have nowhere else to go, will end up with the lower end of the spectrum.

In a SB.
6% sounds encouraging! pray hard

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Thinking of applying into LTA’s policy role, anyone has an idea how is the work place like, and if it is a good place to start to gain some work experience? Also how much can i ask for as as FCH in biz studies from NUS. Thank you.
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Old 15-04-2019, 02:57 PM
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i am a AD in one of the ministry drawing less than 7k. my friend is a Manager in a SB drawing more than me. a Manager in my ministry is drawing only 5k plus. of cose i am also aware there are other smaller SB that had a DD equivalent to my level of salary.

You may be right about the job scope though since in general, we in Ministry are the one who work on the strategic routemap while SB are the one who execute it.
I am the person you replied to
Thanks for sharing. Did u work your way up to AD or did u just join?

I am an AM doing education related work in a ministry (not moe) I draw middle 4k gross wo bonus. I was wondering why my Gross is so low, now I know an AD draws under 7k then I feels reasonable (2 ranks to climb, 5 years) , but still... It baffles me why ministry pay so low nowadays for strategic prowess.

I console myself that it depends on industry. My 2 friends in SB, males w NS, honours, manager taking mid 4k too. We are all pursuing our interest and banking on our experience, doing education related work.

Those drawing good money, (6, 7k manager) whats their field buddy? Interested to know if u don't mind
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around 3.3-3.6k.. with mid yr, yr end bonus, aws, performance bonus and MAC.. around 16mths package plus

Thanks for the info! 3.3-3.6k is including NS increment?
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around 3.3-3.6k.. with mid yr, yr end bonus, aws, performance bonus and MAC.. around 16mths package plus
hello would that be around the same for policy work AM? thanks!
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Thinking of applying into LTA’s policy role, anyone has an idea how is the work place like, and if it is a good place to start to gain some work experience? Also how much can i ask for as as FCH in biz studies from NUS. Thank you.
If fresh grad don't think too much, the HR will hardly budge. If u want to indicate on your application form, just put 3k to ensure they call. If you are window shopping then put 4k also can. Who knows they may call.

Any experience in a large company is good. Large company can continue in large company easily. Small company want to join large is difficult.
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If fresh grad don't think too much, the HR will hardly budge. If u want to indicate on your application form, just put 3k to ensure they call. If you are window shopping then put 4k also can. Who knows they may call.

Any experience in a large company is good. Large company can continue in large company easily. Small company want to join large is difficult.
Thanks for the inputs. Seems like LTA no expected salary no their application.
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I am the person you replied to
Thanks for sharing. Did u work your way up to AD or did u just join?

I am an AM doing education related work in a ministry (not moe) I draw middle 4k gross wo bonus. I was wondering why my Gross is so low, now I know an AD draws under 7k then I feels reasonable (2 ranks to climb, 5 years) , but still... It baffles me why ministry pay so low nowadays for strategic prowess.

I console myself that it depends on industry. My 2 friends in SB, males w NS, honours, manager taking mid 4k too. We are all pursuing our interest and banking on our experience, doing education related work.

Those drawing good money, (6, 7k manager) whats their field buddy? Interested to know if u don't mind
I dont have the comprehensive list. i got 2 friends who are drawing 7k Manager, one in a SB under MOT, the other in a SB that used to be under IDA. -> hope it is obvious enough. =)

You friends are likely in PA, NEA, CPF etc. I guess.

I believe we are given "higher" title in Ministry to show empowerment as we often have meetings with the DD or D in SB. Well, nvm about the salary so long as you are paid according to your experience, a M or a AD is afterall just a title.
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