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I am interested to apply for cs or ps. Monthly basic is $7800. Close to 6.5yrs engineering sector working experience and now is at entry managerial role. May I ask if i could apply for AD role?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I am interested to apply for cs or ps. Monthly basic is $7800. Close to 6.5yrs engineering sector working experience and now is at entry managerial role. May I ask if i could apply for AD role?

7.8k is already above AD mid-point. Even if they can offer you same pay, you will end up with <2% increase each year unless your CEP is very high and can promote within 1 or 2 years.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I am interested to apply for cs or ps. Monthly basic is $7800. Close to 6.5yrs engineering sector working experience and now is at entry managerial role. May I ask if i could apply for AD role?

what engineering sector are you with? Oil and gas or wat?
6.5yrs and getting $7800

even with 1st class in my coy with 10 years of "A" performance + 3 promotion only manage to hit 6.5k....

Originally Posted by Unregistered

what engineering sector are you with? Oil and gas or wat?
6.5yrs and getting $7800

even with 1st class in my coy with 10 years of "A" performance + 3 promotion only manage to hit 6.5k....

I am in the energy management industry specialize in ACMV. I have a few job change. I graduate from local U engineering degree with a pass with merit. I still remember my starting salary was $2300 in a sme but gain lots of experience and knowledge to reach here.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Used to be from private sector before switching to public now. Civil service / stat board offers quite decent career progression even for basic degree w/o honours. Like I said, if you are in a ministry, as long as you are not too screwed up you will still get your AD rank sonner or later.

The high performer/CEP people will get it earlier, but I have seen some people who just cruise through and openly declare they have no interest in career (esp. family oriented ladies), they still get it usually early 40s. AD pay is good enough to live an upper middle class lifestyle.

Staying in private sector is 2 main attraction: 1) The possibility of reaching senior managerial (300k+) or even executive (>$1mil) and 2) More flexible and dynamic culture compared to CS which is constrain by bureaucracy, paper writing, SOP etc.

If you look at the way MNCs operate, in order to get a shot at reaching senior managerial level, you ought to be at least:1) professional level 130-150k by before 35; 2) junior managerial level ~200k basic by 40, otherwise its more or less game over. Sales/Entrepreneur more unpredictable so hard to give rule of thumb.

Use these guidelines to gauge your probability I mentioned earlier and it will help in your decision.

Good evening,

Thanks for sharing the above =)

May i know if you are from a stat board?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

7.8k is already above AD mid-point. Even if they can offer you same pay, you will end up with <2% increase each year unless your CEP is very high and can promote within 1 or 2 years.

How do they determine your CEP when you join as mid career? I am fine with around $400 to $700 lower basic due to higher bonus payout in CS or PS.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

How do they determine your CEP when you join as mid career? I am fine with around $400 to $700 lower basic due to higher bonus payout in CS or PS.

Officially it depends on how they observe your leadership capabilities and stakeholder engagement skills. Real thing is of course connections and office political skills. Most normal degree non-scholar types are MX10 (Director or DD) CEP at best.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Officially it depends on how they observe your leadership capabilities and stakeholder engagement skills. Real thing is of course connections and office political skills. Most normal degree non-scholar types are MX10 (Director or DD) CEP at best.

May not be true. MX10 is considered as AD level. It's always tied to a certain percentage of the workforce. You can't expect everyone to be AD right?

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

May not be true. MX10 is considered as AD level. It's always tied to a certain percentage of the workforce. You can't expect everyone to be AD right?

CEP is your glass ceiling, not guaranteed. Also MX10 is DD nor AD. A lot of people with DD CEP end their careers at SAD. Many do not reach their CEP level anyway.

AD is more or less a guaranteed for local uni degree holder unless you screw up big time or really piss somebody high up. Even a below average performer at C level will reach AD after 20+ years of service. In fact there are so many people stuck at AD that more & more ministries are creating another artifical level called SAD to cater for those who cannot make it to DD and yet still have many years to go before retiring.