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Originally Posted by Unregistered

I don't think headcount is an issue. If not, they wouldn't have put up the job ad with multiple vacancies.

I find it ridiculous if so much emphasis is placed on sec school to jc performance. As I have mentioned, the role requires technical knowledge which are not even taught at jc level.

Not saying I dont believe you. Just find it ridiculous if those are indeed the criterias that the hr(or whoever) looks at so heavily (enough to ignore tertiary education which formally teaches the subject).

Well sorry to burst your bubbles, but there may be more sense in looking at performance from Sec all the way to tertiary than you think. While it is true that you gain technical knowledge at tertiary level, it does not imply that you are good at soft skills (e.g. leadership roles etc.). Unless you have CCAs during your Uni days to showcase your leadership skills as well.

Give you an example. HR received two applicants - one with a better tertiary result (FCH), and one not so stellar (2nd Upper). The FCH has a normal Sec school and JC resume, while the 2nd upper has a much better Sec school and JC resume (e.g. Student leader, good grades, S papers etc.). I will probably choose the 2nd upper over the FCH. Why? Because he is consistent. I know he is good since young, and most likely to be reliable. Plus he has all the soft skills necessary.

You may counter argue, to say some are late bloomers. Therefore it is bias and illogical to look at Sec to JC resume, especially if the role hinges on technical knowledge that can only be achieved at tertiary education. But having only excel (academically) in Uni, I could say you may be lucky, you're only good at something so niche and nothing else. Or it could be a fluke, that somehow, you're just good at mugging suddenly.

Yes it is unfair, but the 2nd upper has more years of "good results" to showcase as opposed to the FCH who has only his good tertiary results. But that's civil service for you, usually picking only the best out of the best. More so if you're applying to those economic agencies.

FYI, agencies do put up adv even if there are no vacancies. Why? Cause they want to know the market trends, and to be prepared for officers resigning.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What? So low? Grad from local uni? Any experts in healthcare GLCs can lip lai share more?

It is well known that public healthcare institutions do not pay as well as the private, for administrative positions. That is because bulk of their money goes to healthcare professionals (e.g. Doctors, Nurses, and allied health etc.). What you're being offered is the norm across the board, with probably $100 - $200 variations.

Mind this is healthcare, so you can't expect the remunerations to be fantastic.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What? So low? Grad from local uni? Any experts in healthcare GLCs can lip lai share more?

Its true. its about 3k. Even for local uni grads. Healthcare administration dont earn a lot, unless if you're in mindef. Most of their profits are directed to paying doctors/nurses/equipment/research. Administration comes last, even for GLCs. Similar to how universities work as well. Researchers/Lecturers get the profits first, administration comes last.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What? So low? Grad from local uni? Any experts in healthcare GLCs can lip lai share more?

yes, just graduated from NUS.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It is well known that public healthcare institutions do not pay as well as the private, for administrative positions. That is because bulk of their money goes to healthcare professionals (e.g. Doctors, Nurses, and allied health etc.). What you're being offered is the norm across the board, with probably $100 - $200 variations.

Mind this is healthcare, so you can't expect the remunerations to be fantastic.

the figures do not tally though. someone commented that he/she is drawing $3.1k as a fresh grad with 2nd lower.. doesn't make much sense if i'm going to draw a lower salary with 2nd upper. i have a few months of relevant HR experience as well since i had a short stint with a pharma company when i was still in uni.

but anyway, i've been shortlisted for an interview and was told that there's a written test as well. is anyone able to share more information?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

yes, just graduated from NUS.



the figures do not tally though. someone commented that he/she is drawing $3.1k as a fresh grad with 2nd lower.. doesn't make much sense if i'm going to draw a lower salary with 2nd upper. i have a few months of relevant HR experience as well since i had a short stint with a pharma company when i was still in uni.

but anyway, i've been shortlisted for an interview and was told that there's a written test as well. is anyone able to share more information?

Well it is up to the individuals during the interview to showcase and negotiate their salary thereafter. Males with NS usually get $200 or so more than ladies without NS.

Think along the lines of healthcare (e.g. healthcare cost, medical inflation, medical technology, moral lines etc.) for your essay. They look at your reasoning, and your proficiency of the language.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Well it is up to the individuals during the interview to showcase and negotiate their salary thereafter. Males with NS usually get $200 or so more than ladies without NS.

Think along the lines of healthcare (e.g. healthcare cost, medical inflation, medical technology, moral lines etc.) for your essay. They look at your reasoning, and your proficiency of the language.

are you in the healthcare industry? do you have any advice for a fresh grad who's keen on pursuing a career in HR? should i start out in a GLC? all my previous temp job assignments were in the private sector so i've no clue how the environment's like in the public sector. appreciate any insights/thoughts. thanks! x

Originally Posted by Unregistered

are you in the healthcare industry? do you have any advice for a fresh grad who's keen on pursuing a career in HR? should i start out in a GLC? all my previous temp job assignments were in the private sector so i've no clue how the environment's like in the public sector. appreciate any insights/thoughts. thanks! x

To be clear, public sector implies Ministries and their Stat Boards, as well as other Organs of State. The other few exceptions could be professional boards. Therefore, public healthcare institutions (i.e. public hospitals and their respective clusters) are not considered public sector. They are in fact private limited and private legal entities. I wouldn't go as far as to say they are GLC, cause they are not for profits, and yet they receive funding from the government.

In my honest opinion, it would be better to pursue a HR job in the private sector (preferably in an MNC) if you wish to specialise in HR. Public sector's HR roles are more generalist, and you will not be able to learn niche areas (e.g. Com and Ben, L&D etc.) unless you struggle for more than 10 years to reach at least DD position (for non scholars). And the skill sets may not be transferable to the private still.

Conversely, you will be able to specialise in a HR area of your interest earlier if you were to start off in the private sector. The experience you'll gain will be more enriching, and you'll probably have better salary package. Plus should you wish to join the public sector as a mid-career, the transition would be easier as your experience in the private will be taken into consideration.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

To be clear, public sector implies Ministries and their Stat Boards, as well as other Organs of State. The other few exceptions could be professional boards. Therefore, public healthcare institutions (i.e. public hospitals and their respective clusters) are not considered public sector. They are in fact private limited and private legal entities. I wouldn't go as far as to say they are GLC, cause they are not for profits, and yet they receive funding from the government.

In my honest opinion, it would be better to pursue a HR job in the private sector (preferably in an MNC) if you wish to specialise in HR. Public sector's HR roles are more generalist, and you will not be able to learn niche areas (e.g. Com and Ben, L&D etc.) unless you struggle for more than 10 years to reach at least DD position (for non scholars). And the skill sets may not be transferable to the private still.

Conversely, you will be able to specialise in a HR area of your interest earlier if you were to start off in the private sector. The experience you'll gain will be more enriching, and you'll probably have better salary package. Plus should you wish to join the public sector as a mid-career, the transition would be easier as your experience in the private will be taken into consideration.

i would like to work in the private sector but the problem is i've yet to come across any companies hiring fresh grads for HR executive positions! so i was wondering if it's advisable to start in the public sector and then switch to private after getting 2-3 years experience (since most HR jobs posted on job street require at least 2 years experience)?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

i've been told by a recruiter that i can only expect 2.9-3k for the Management Associate position at NHG. i thought that was strangely low? i graduated with 2nd uppers!

don't take the recruiter's word as ground truth. they only care if there's a deal so they get their commission. Just state your expected salary when asked and prepare some argument sto support (relevant intern exp, minor degree, CCA etc.)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

are you in the healthcare industry? do you have any advice for a fresh grad who's keen on pursuing a career in HR? should i start out in a GLC? all my previous temp job assignments were in the private sector so i've no clue how the environment's like in the public sector. appreciate any insights/thoughts. thanks! x

I'm not from healthcare industry. But as our gov putting more into public healthcare, I'd bet GLC's future will at least be a stable one.