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Originally Posted by Unregistered

NTU MA in Psych:

://.hss.ntu.edu.sg/Programmes/psychology/programmes/graduate/Pages/MasterofArts.aspx

NIE MA in Applied Psych:

://.nie.edu.sg/study-nie/admissions/graduate-studies-professional-learning/higher-degree-programmes/masters-coursework/master-arts-applied-0

NUS Master in Clinical Psych:

://.fas.nus.edu.sg/psy/_clinical/prog.htm

NUS Master of Social Science(Psychology):

://.fas.nus.edu.sg/psy/_prospective/pr_m_social_science.htm

If you guys cant even find these online, maybe youre not cut out for masters. There is no body that gives accreditation for psychology masters in Singapore. But it is pretty well regarded that to be a psychologist, at least at an IMH standard, you need a Phd. So your friend skipping his masters for a phd is a good move. To be regarded as a psychologist, one needs a phd. Masters are not that well regarded. Even with a masters, one can only be considered as a counsellor, like those that work with NIE/MOE.

please, i have done my research. you sound like a condescending prick.

i applied a conversion masters course, meaning it's MEANT for people with no background in psych. try to find something like this in sg for me. go on. and i plan to get further qualifications after the course, i just want to know about the recognition of the uni, not ask you to critique my course choice/life choice.

and please double check your statements. i can go on linkedin and find you psychologists in sg both civil service and private sector with honours and masters.

finally psychologists aren't only limited to clinical psychologists. there are other fields of specialisation to go into.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

1. NUS and NTU does offer psych.
2. Uni of nottingham wont get you in civil service as a psychologist.
3. Without even an bachelors in psych, you will find it hard to be hired at all. 2 years of masters coursework is basically equivalent to an extra 2 years on undergrad work. Undergrads regularly take post-grad modules and vice versa.
4. You will lack the 4 year foundational psych knowledge, and although nottingham might not mind, employers would.

for your point 1, see above.

your other points are useful to think about, thanks for that.

anyone in civil service heard news of promotion? about time right? usually HR/Director will inform staff in Feb/March of each year to those who got promoted?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

and please double check your statements. i can go on linkedin and find you psychologists in sg both civil service and private sector with honours and masters.

finally psychologists aren't only limited to clinical psychologists. there are other fields of specialisation to go into.

Hi there! Im a psych post-grad student in NTU. Psychologist might have a couple of different meanings. A person who employs the knowledge of psychology in his field might often be called a 'psychologist'. But between psychologists ourselves, those people are not regarded as psychologist. For example, a psychology grad might be using her knowledge to work with a data mining company, but she is not a psychologist. Within the field, we usually regard psychologists as either clinical psychologists or research psychologist. Nowadays, companies hire teams of psychology grads to do research, unlike in the past whereby a sole person does research on the mind and/or behaviour. Hence, due to the difficulty and the level of expertise, only this sole individual would be considered a psychologist. In this day and age, a company that hires a team of psychology grads might call them psychologists, but their work usually comprises of big data and protocol work. Their research is based on group behaviours within a company or an organisation. In this case, we in the field dont usually call them psychologists, this is because research psychologist enhance the field by coming up with something new, not implementing some other idea or framework that has already been discovered. Its 2 different things. Data mining is not research in the academic sense. Research in the academic sense is about coming up with something that no one has thought of before, or reinforcing someone else's research. Taking that framework or idea and applying it to the real world is not what psychologists do.

Is Nottingham somewhere between 2nd and 3rd tier? How does it compare to NTU and SMU?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Probably not. Best case scenario they give you a few hundred more. But in all probability, they will treat you like a fresh grad. Coursework masters is nothing great lol. Its just 1-2 years of study. Some more from a second/third tier UK uni.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi there! Im a psych post-grad student in NTU. Psychologist might have a couple of different meanings. A person who employs the knowledge of psychology in his field might often be called a 'psychologist'. But between psychologists ourselves, those people are not regarded as psychologist. For example, a psychology grad might be using her knowledge to work with a data mining company, but she is not a psychologist. Within the field, we usually regard psychologists as either clinical psychologists or research psychologist. Nowadays, companies hire teams of psychology grads to do research, unlike in the past whereby a sole person does research on the mind and/or behaviour. Hence, due to the difficulty and the level of expertise, only this sole individual would be considered a psychologist. In this day and age, a company that hires a team of psychology grads might call them psychologists, but their work usually comprises of big data and protocol work. Their research is based on group behaviours within a company or an organisation. In this case, we in the field dont usually call them psychologists, this is because research psychologist enhance the field by coming up with something new, not implementing some other idea or framework that has already been discovered. Its 2 different things. Data mining is not research in the academic sense. Research in the academic sense is about coming up with something that no one has thought of before, or reinforcing someone else's research. Taking that framework or idea and applying it to the real world is not what psychologists do.

well written and very informative!

just to add on ot it as this is a career related forum, people would think that one who does research and comes up with innovations are better paid than those follow established protocol and methodologies. the reality is usually the opposite - the so-called applied xxx-cian, xxx-ist, xxx-or/er in company usually earn more than their research counterparty in institute/university/labs.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Is Nottingham somewhere between 2nd and 3rd tier? How does it compare to NTU and SMU?

Definitely 3rd tier UK. It really depends on WHO you ask. If you are asking on the POV of a ministry, they will place NTU and SMU above nottingham. The government has vested interests in their own universities, you cant really fault them for it. From a private sector POV, they might consider nottingham equal to NTU and SMU, but probably not better.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

well written and very informative!

just to add on ot it as this is a career related forum, people would think that one who does research and comes up with innovations are better paid than those follow established protocol and methodologies. the reality is usually the opposite - the so-called applied xxx-cian, xxx-ist, xxx-or/er in company usually earn more than their research counterparty in institute/university/labs.

This is very true. A lot of people would like to think that university profs earn a lot but its not the case at all. They earn a very meagre salary, but they are very passionate in what they do. This works out well for the university as these profs would be very keen to work there even if they get paid peanuts.

is the upcoming pb payout based on calendar year 2014 or financial year 2014?
seeking clarifications as i joined the government sector in the middle of 2014, hence the proration will make a difference

Originally Posted by Unregistered

is the upcoming pb payout based on calendar year 2014 or financial year 2014?
seeking clarifications as i joined the government sector in the middle of 2014, hence the proration will make a difference

it's based on calendar year

Anyone can extract the Civil Service Salary Scale for 2014?

I am currently a poly lecturer going to embark on the new ECG secondment to MOE and was told that after the 4 year stint I will be drawing a MX11 pay. Currently my pay is about $6.5k. I just need to know how much damage i need to take as i have a feeling it will be lesser.

Urgent help please :-)