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Old 16-09-2014, 06:49 PM
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all the salaries you guys quoted here, is it yearly salary (including all bonuses and AWS + allowaces) divided by 12?
coz if its not like that and instead it is monthly salary, a lot of you guys in CS are paid quite high. apart from those in banking finance / O&G, very few can reach your pay at that age
I believe we are all referring to our basic monthly salary. This excludes all the bonuses.

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Hi everyone, I'm working in a MNC now but hoping to join a Ministry or Stat Board.

Besides pay and job scope issues, I don't really fit into the company/department that I'm currently working at. I think because it's an MNC the culture really doesn't suit me. Many of the bosses and colleagues are caucasian and have a very different way of interacting. Even for the locals, many of them are ultra 'ang moh pai' or graduated from overseas unis, so they're more in tune with Western styles of communicating. They expect lots of small talk and socialising even during work and I'm more of a keep to myself kind of person. Not that I don't like socialising but I much prefer to 'segregate' my work time and social time. So I don't mind socialising more during lunch, but not halfway when I'm trying to concentrate on some work. Plus the office is an open office, so it's really obvious that I'm being 'anti-social' when I don't join in their chats etc.

Basically I'm just not on the same wavelength as everyone there, I don't find their jokes funny and have to force myself to laugh/smile...so I think perhaps a more 'conventional' environment like in the public service might suit me better.

What do you guys think? Especially people with exp working in a Ministry or Stat Board, please advise, thank you!
what industry are you working in? what's your job function? what's your age?
usually those who make the switch to Ministry/Stat Board from private sector, are under 35. Older folks may find it more difficult to adjust to the bureacracy and nature of work in Ministry/Stat Board. Potential pay cut for senior folks in private sector too.

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Hi guys, just like to find out how long does it take for an Assistant director to be promoted to a deputy director in the civil service, if lets say the dude is an average performer with a good honours.
If average but boss like, 5-8 yrs? Average only with no backing, then most prob never. AD or MX11 is possible for most. DD or MX10 more challenging (5-7%) of the workforce population.

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what industry are you working in? what's your job function? what's your age?
usually those who make the switch to Ministry/Stat Board from private sector, are under 35. Older folks may find it more difficult to adjust to the bureacracy and nature of work in Ministry/Stat Board. Potential pay cut for senior folks in private sector too.
In the media industry, quite a niche role, so hoping to get out asap to something more employable. I'm 25, with NS. Almost as good as a fresh grad, working exp slightly less than a year.
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all the salaries you guys quoted here, is it yearly salary (including all bonuses and AWS + allowaces) divided by 12?
coz if its not like that and instead it is monthly salary, a lot of you guys in CS are paid quite high. apart from those in banking finance / O&G, very few can reach your pay at that age
That's why a lot of people want to move into civil service.
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If average but boss like, 5-8 yrs? Average only with no backing, then most prob never. AD or MX11 is possible for most. DD or MX10 more challenging (5-7%) of the workforce population.
These are some patterns which I observed. Not sure if they are accurate.

Actually pace of promotions will be rather fast in your first 5-10 years in civil service. But pace of promotions will start to slow down in your 30s. A lot depends on CEP.

AD CEP (MX11A)
Default CEP for most people. Worst case plateau at MX11A (plateau at 8.5K) by mid 40s. Not difficult to upgrade to SAD/DD CEP.

SAD/DD CEP (MX10)
Majority will reach MX11A by late 30s and hit MX10 (plateau at 11K) by mid/late 40s. This is easier said than done. You need to not screw up for 20 years to achieve this. Any screw-up goes back to AD CEP.

Director CEP (MX9-level 1)
A few exceptions will reach MX10 by mid-30s (plateau at 11K) then hit MX9 (plateau at 12K) by early or mid-40s

Senior Director CEP (MX9-level 2)
Very very few people make it this far. You must have a string of AO bosses (non-AO bosses harder, usually they will be demolished by AO bosses during ranking unless super senior) who loves you to get here. The problem is AO bosses are very very demanding as well. So far only seen one chap made it. Same as director CEP. but you will cross the MX9 bar in your late 40s and plateau at 16K instead

From my observation, I think there are two or three levels of CEP for MX9.

Let me know if my observations wrong. Help me by affirming/refuting my observations.
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all the salaries you guys quoted here, is it yearly salary (including all bonuses and AWS + allowaces) divided by 12?
coz if its not like that and instead it is monthly salary, a lot of you guys in CS are paid quite high. apart from those in banking finance / O&G, very few can reach your pay at that age
Monthly salary.

If one uses annual wage divided by 12, it would be >$10k per month.


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all the salaries you guys quoted here, is it yearly salary (including all bonuses and AWS + allowaces) divided by 12?
coz if its not like that and instead it is monthly salary, a lot of you guys in CS are paid quite high. apart from those in banking finance / O&G, very few can reach your pay at that age
That may be so, but salary in banking, finance and O&G, the salary continues to climb way beyond CS scales.

Whereas in CS, salary starts higher than usual to attract quality grads, but then plateaus 10-15 yrs down the road for an average performer, who will then probably retire at the ceiling of his grade. A higher than usual plateau, but still a flat-line.

Unless they are one of those superstars that are lucky enough to be noticed and moved up quickly.
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That may be so, but salary in banking, finance and O&G, the salary continues to climb way beyond CS scales.

Whereas in CS, salary starts higher than usual to attract quality grads, but then plateaus 10-15 yrs down the road for an average performer, who will then probably retire at the ceiling of his grade. A higher than usual plateau, but still a flat-line.

Unless they are one of those superstars that are lucky enough to be noticed and moved up quickly.
seriously, people in the CS think they are under paid but in fact many in pte sector are worse off.. do you think there is no "plateau" in the pte sector too? at least CS is more or less guaranteed of your high ceiling.....
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seriously, people in the CS think they are under paid but in fact many in pte sector are worse off.. do you think there is no "plateau" in the pte sector too? at least CS is more or less guaranteed of your high ceiling.....

lol. no guarantee wor. You need to develop very strong mental resilience to survive the idiotic bureaucracy which gets worse over the years. Many, many left after 5-12 years of de-skilling. (You only know how to write papers after a while.) In my opinion, these are brave souls. They may be paid lower. But they are so much happier picking up new skills.

Those who remain are heroes in their own right - you really need a lot of mental strength to repeat almost the same things over and over again, just that for every cycle you went thr, the level of bureaucracy increases.
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