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Old 14-08-2014, 08:19 PM
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Currently in CS and reaching mx10 salary mid-bar soon (not ceiling ah, nowhere near MX9). Does anyone know the performance grade criteria for crossing the mid-bar? Is it at least two C in a row the last 2 years? Or some other benchmark? Any other criteria besides perf grade?

Need this info to decide whether to jump ship or not. My boss is stingy when it comes to such things.... may prevent me from crossing bar. Then my salary stagnant, I've got growing school kids to support.

Knnbccb, what the fish you doing all these years? Aku realli cannot undrstand how you managed to reach MX 10 sia. Based on the questions you asked, i think you either a civil serpent who realli heck care all these years. A true blue civil servant would have talked about such criteria with his peers from mx 13 to 10. Ok if u r not brain dead then i think u got no kakis. That i forgive u. If you were with private sector all these years and went into civil service recently, then also must forgive u. Really tak boleh tahan sia!

One word of advice from me. If you really truthfully dunno about such things and was with the public sector all these while, Aku strongly highly from the bottom of my heart suggests that u stay put. Aku guesstimate you should be around 40s, children should be transisting from JC Poly (low cost education) to University (high cost). If you 40ish and want to pull such stunts, you better already posses skills that you honed for many years, ones with high barriers to entry and also appreciated by the market. Abothen, you should have good management skills. Cross border experience la, multicultural team management la, strong p and l performance la, enough experience to manage staff politics and push them to work la. 40ish and comfortable pay with no value add is strong candidate for retrenchment ok.

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Old 15-08-2014, 02:28 AM
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Hi guys!

I am appointed as a HR MSO and have already got my provisional letter of appointment. I have 2 years odd (going 3 years) of experience in HR previously and the offered salary is $2.6K.

Is it too much if I were to ask for $3K when the actual letter of appointment is ready? Given that the standard of living is rather high now in SG, and the transport costs involved too as it is not really located near my residence?

Besides, when should I ask? When they ask me to sign the final letter of appointment, do I still have barganing power to propose to increase my salary to $3K?

Guys, please advise me~

Thanks in advance!

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Old 15-08-2014, 08:54 AM
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Hi guys!

I am appointed as a HR MSO and have already got my provisional letter of appointment. I have 2 years odd (going 3 years) of experience in HR previously and the offered salary is $2.6K.

Is it too much if I were to ask for $3K when the actual letter of appointment is ready? Given that the standard of living is rather high now in SG, and the transport costs involved too as it is not really located near my residence?

Besides, when should I ask? When they ask me to sign the final letter of appointment, do I still have barganing power to propose to increase my salary to $3K?

Guys, please advise me~

Thanks in advance!
if you really want to bargain you should do it before they prepare the letter. it is not up to the person who prepares the letter, probably it will go up to the directors for approval. Also, a $400 increase for a $2.6k salary probably wouldnt go through, just my opinion though.

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Old 16-08-2014, 02:51 AM
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if you really want to bargain you should do it before they prepare the letter. it is not up to the person who prepares the letter, probably it will go up to the directors for approval. Also, a $400 increase for a $2.6k salary probably wouldnt go through, just my opinion though.
Hi there!

thanks for your advice and feedback. Ok I will see how it goes..
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Old 16-08-2014, 09:31 PM
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Hi

Anyone knows how is the job grade comparison between GLC and MNC ?
Is all GLC follows E1,E2 then M1-6 and G1-3 grading system?
M4 being the benchmark of getting performance bonus?

While in MNC is either grade 10 to 1 or grade 1-10 then L to A?

Just curious how to make comparison between the job grade.
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Old 18-08-2014, 02:24 AM
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Hi guys!

I am appointed as a HR MSO and have already got my provisional letter of appointment. I have 2 years odd (going 3 years) of experience in HR previously and the offered salary is $2.6K.

Is it too much if I were to ask for $3K when the actual letter of appointment is ready? Given that the standard of living is rather high now in SG, and the transport costs involved too as it is not really located near my residence?

Besides, when should I ask? When they ask me to sign the final letter of appointment, do I still have barganing power to propose to increase my salary to $3K?

Guys, please advise me~

Thanks in advance!

Actually u should be bargaining during the time when they offer you the 2.6k. I believe u had accepted the offer already so its not nice to ask for higher pay during the signing of letter. If your future manager is involved in the hiring process or the person approving the pay, then it won't look nice if you ask for higher pay after accepting the offer.

Anyway, they usually offer pay base on some sort of formulas and calculations. I've been to interviews at 2 stat board before and they didn't increase when I ask for higher pay. So even if you call them now to ask for higher pay, I believe very very high chance they won't increase the pay too.
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Actually u should be bargaining during the time when they offer you the 2.6k. I believe u had accepted the offer already so its not nice to ask for higher pay during the signing of letter. If your future manager is involved in the hiring process or the person approving the pay, then it won't look nice if you ask for higher pay after accepting the offer.

Anyway, they usually offer pay base on some sort of formulas and calculations. I've been to interviews at 2 stat board before and they didn't increase when I ask for higher pay. So even if you call them now to ask for higher pay, I believe very very high chance they won't increase the pay too.
Agreed. Don't raise it up now unless you are prepared to walk away if (or when) they say no. It is unlikely that you'll get a new offer so the only thing you'll probably get for asking is leave a bad impression even before you start work.
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Actually u should be bargaining during the time when they offer you the 2.6k. I believe u had accepted the offer already so its not nice to ask for higher pay during the signing of letter. If your future manager is involved in the hiring process or the person approving the pay, then it won't look nice if you ask for higher pay after accepting the offer.

Anyway, they usually offer pay base on some sort of formulas and calculations. I've been to interviews at 2 stat board before and they didn't increase when I ask for higher pay. So even if you call them now to ask for higher pay, I believe very very high chance they won't increase the pay too.
Ok.. I have taken note of your advice.. Thanks for it rollbread! My ex colleague also said that it will look bad on me though.. Yes, the hiring manager is my big boss, who is the Assistant Director! I certainly will not want to cast a bad impression to them as that will affect my performance bonus..

But come to think back, previously I DREW $2.4K in private sector, and I don't know why I never indicate high expected salary where I have 3 years of experience from the private sector previously! zzzz haiz..

Appreciate your kind advice! (:
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Agreed. Don't raise it up now unless you are prepared to walk away if (or when) they say no. It is unlikely that you'll get a new offer so the only thing you'll probably get for asking is leave a bad impression even before you start work.
thanks for the advice! Yes, I also don't think I am prepared to walk away if they tell me no.. hahaa.. I definitely will not want to cast a bad impression too..
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Old 20-08-2014, 02:36 PM
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Hi. I am in a very similar predicament. Like me share my experience. I graduated from NUS Mechanical Engineering with a 1st Class Honours. Like many outstanding engineering graduates, I joined a big aviation MNC with the envy of many of my coursemates.

Soon, I find myself working from Mon-Sat and near to 12 hours a day (typical of engineers). I had what it takes in the company. Team was great and lots of exposure to projects. However, promotion seems far away as there are simply so many FT engineers slogging out hard. I had no time for anyone, including my family. Remuneration wise, I average $46k per annum as a junior engineer.

Fast forward 2 years, I made a difficult decision to jump to public service. I applied to one of the statboard as a policy executive. Things took a great turn. I was offered a salary of $4500 after confirmation. Average about 4.5 months bonus including AWS. I am making close to $75k per annum and $29k more than my previous job. I was rewarded financially but work was dull.

I did not regret the decision. Not only did I make $29k more, I had more time for myself and my family. I work from 8.00am to 5.00pm everyday, exactly what I am paid for. I did my best at work but also had a good balance of life with my family.

On weekends, I invest prudently with my salary. Many of my friends actually questioned my decision and believed I would do well outside with a 1st Class. I beg to differ. I merely trade it off for time to do my own things.

I do understand that my salary would eventually hit the ceiling in the statboard,. I don't mind. I continue to draw $9k/month with 8 hours of work and do my own investment outside. Who knows I might get successful and able to quite my job?

If I stayed in the engineering company, no doubts I would do well, but I would still continue with my pathetic salary and increment, slogging out 12 hours a day, 6 days per week.
Friend may i ask how old are you?

Im facing the same predicament.. O&G here.
Overworked and underpaid
Working alongside FT engineers who are on expat terms

Recently just got pay increase to 60k at 31 y.o.
Everyone says im doing well.. but despite slogging it out my salary isnt even near CS terms.
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