Compare civil service salary

Originally Posted by Unregistered

1. Which university did you attain your degree and PhD? These things matter. If local, I think you should get paid a bit more? I know some first class fresh grads taking in 3.6-3.8. So 4.2 seems to be quite a small increment for a Phd holder.

2. Depends, were you put on a managerial track? Most of the first-class grads I knew got AO positions. Although their pay is not as high as private sectors, being in AO ensures a fast-track. So although you may be paid low now, if you are on that fast-track, it wont matter since your pay should rise quickly.

My degree n PhD were from NTU. I didn't heard about the managerial track by the HR.

I felt that I was underpaid (HR said they didn't consider my working experience at NTU where I did my part-time PhD as well. Sound logical? Can I negotiate with HR for salary package?

Thanks.

You are most probably hired as research engineer or research fellow when at NTU. your time in NTU while doing phd is actually a more gloried scholarship where you need to support tutorial / lab classes and doing research (which goes into your phd thesis). hence HR is right not to consider that as true work experience. $4.2k is very good as you need to consider that the phd is not required in the job nature. they could jolly well get a master graduate to do the same job. if you want to be paid for your phd title, you should seek academic job in the university. But then, with phd from local uni, it is rather difficult to secure tenure track in local uni. also you will need to undergo a low pay post-doctoral experience before you can be considered for faculty position as assistant prof. so if faculty job is not your cup of tea, then take the current offer.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

My degree n PhD were from NTU. I didn't heard about the managerial track by the HR.

I felt that I was underpaid (HR said they didn't consider my working experience at NTU where I did my part-time PhD as well. Sound logical? Can I negotiate with HR for salary package?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

IO scheme is an unusual scheme that is somewhere inbetween the MX scheme and scholar-type/AO schemes. Their pay is a tier higher than the normal MX scheme.

Thats all i know. I don't have the numbers.

Have heard io people hoh are very well-paid ...

If you r on io scheme, male w ns, can hit io11 in 4 years, pay is close to 10k pm, but doesn't come with the ao bonus

the rest i dunno liao, may have a glass ceiling also, friend quitted liao by then

that IO sounds more like intelligence scheme rather than information scheme. int officers get paid more cuz their skills are not transferable and they cant put it on their resume other than generic sounding work. information scheme isnt as gd but its definitely better than MX.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

My degree n PhD were from NTU. I didn't heard about the managerial track by the HR.

I felt that I was underpaid (HR said they didn't consider my working experience at NTU where I did my part-time PhD as well. Sound logical? Can I negotiate with HR for salary package?

Thanks.

4ish range is typical for a fresh PhD holder in civil service. You are not underpaid. You can try neg for higher but considering you have no bargaining chips on hand. It will be take it or leave it.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Seems like u are cherry picking. Having worked in civil service for nearly 20 years, I have seen my fair share of things. There are only 3 'real' grades in civil service - 11 (working), 10 (management), 9 (Senior Management). The truth is that in civil service, very few people reach 9, and if you do get 9 you are likely to be in the enabling (HR/FIN/IT) functions because the more important positions would have been filled by AOs. And you do not get 16K immediately when you hit 9. You start from early 10K, assuming you don't make a single mistake in your first 20-30 year of your career. In addition, you will need to cross the bar to get further. In fact, your pay starts stagnating when your pay edge closer to the bars. Sometimes the increments will be in 100- 200 or in tens. But at the same time, you will also realise that having this much money (round 10K) is enough for decent living. Taking a pay view is really short term, look for intrinsic motivation (e.g., service to the people, returning of goodwill, etc). It keeps you going in the long run. If you are in the run for money, you will be grossly disappointed.

Most directors are MX9 or equivalent and above, some are MX10 on the way. The MX9 make at least 180-350k, gross. The large range is due to bonuses and band, and whether ministry or stat board, whether regular or special scheme (ministry and special scheme more). And there are more than 915 individuals making more than 250k each year in Singapore.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

My degree n PhD were from NTU. I didn't heard about the managerial track by the HR.

I felt that I was underpaid (HR said they didn't consider my working experience at NTU where I did my part-time PhD as well. Sound logical? Can I negotiate with HR for salary package?

Thanks.

Sorry, top earners in civil service have degrees from oxbridge and ivy league. Sg, Australian, distance learning schools' graduates, even phds, are not given priority. You would have started at mx13 after bachelor's from ntu, and 4-6 years would have advanced to mx11, at best (2 promotions). At $4200, you are offered mx11.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Most directors are MX9 or equivalent and above, some are MX10 on the way. The MX9 make at least 180-350k, gross. The large range is due to bonuses and band, and whether ministry or stat board, whether regular or special scheme (ministry and special scheme more). And there are more than 915 individuals making more than 250k each year in Singapore.

tHumm.. Some maths, not sure if it make sense. But giving it a shot. Of these 915 individuals ? how many are scholars i.e., MX9, MX8? (Admin Service already 200, scholars from individual schemes of service say roughly another 400) , and how many are those who reach MX9 a few years before retirement ? (Say roughly another 200) Subtracting those, how many individuals non-scholars really get MX9? Thats how many percentage points of the total 76,000 civil servants in sg? A iittle depressing, but reality is reality. Most non-scholars finish at MX10 or given MX9 close to retirement age.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

tHumm.. Some maths, not sure if it make sense. But giving it a shot. Of these 915 individuals ? how many are scholars i.e., MX9, MX8? (Admin Service already 200, scholars from individual schemes of service say roughly another 400) , and how many are those who reach MX9 a few years before retirement ? (Say roughly another 200) Subtracting those, how many individuals non-scholars really get MX9? Thats how many percentage points of the total 76,000 civil servants in sg? A iittle depressing, but reality is reality. Most non-scholars finish at MX10 or given MX9 close to retirement age.

Hello. If your understanding is so poor, how to be well-paid civil servant?
250k gross salary is nothing lah. Even property agents make that in a year. There should be *thousands* making that kind of money in Singapore each year, midlevel lawyers/doctors and up. Even an nus associate professor of law makes that kind of money.
Again, mx9 or equivalent and above are superscale grades. Not all admin service officers or scholars are superscale.
but you are right, many non-scholars end their careers at mx10. The better ones get to that level in their early or mid 30s, and of these, a small minority gets to mx9 in early 40s or late 30s, and flatten henceforth.

$250k is not nothing, but agreed it is not like last time where it used to quite big deal.

So for those starting out, if you have to work 20 - 25 years to hit $250k pa, I am sure by that time, it is probably very average.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hello. If your understanding is so poor, how to be well-paid civil servant?
250k gross salary is nothing lah. Even property agents make that in a year. There should be *thousands* making that kind of money in Singapore each year, midlevel lawyers/doctors and up. Even an nus associate professor of law makes that kind of money.
Again, mx9 or equivalent and above are superscale grades. Not all admin service officers or scholars are superscale.
but you are right, many non-scholars end their careers at mx10. The better ones get to that level in their early or mid 30s, and of these, a small minority gets to mx9 in early 40s or late 30s, and flatten henceforth.