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Old 14-07-2014, 06:18 PM
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Hi all, I have just been offered a position in a ministry/stat board. I need your opinion regarding my starting monthly salary:

1) My backgorund
Degree 1st class honors in science + PhD in engineering (part-time)
3 yrs working experience while doing my PhD - Current salary $ 3200

2) Was offered 4.2k/month. Am I underpaid?

3) Is Job offer package negotiable for cilvil service/stat board?

Thank you very much.

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Hi all, I have just been offered a position in a ministry/stat board. I need your opinion regarding my starting monthly salary:

1) My backgorund
Degree 1st class honors in science + PhD in engineering (part-time)
3 yrs working experience while doing my PhD - Current salary $ 3200

2) Was offered 4.2k/month. Am I underpaid?

3) Is Job offer package negotiable for cilvil service/stat board?

Thank you very much.
1. Which university did you attain your degree and PhD? These things matter. If local, I think you should get paid a bit more? I know some first class fresh grads taking in 3.6-3.8. So 4.2 seems to be quite a small increment for a Phd holder.

2. Depends, were you put on a managerial track? Most of the first-class grads I knew got AO positions. Although their pay is not as high as private sectors, being in AO ensures a fast-track. So although you may be paid low now, if you are on that fast-track, it wont matter since your pay should rise quickly.

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Can I ask if information officers from MCI gets promoted faster?

I have a friend (non-scholar, second upper degree) who was promoted from Senior Associate to AD position in 3 years.

What exactly is the rank of a Senior Associate?

Thanks in advance.
IO scheme is an unusual scheme that is somewhere inbetween the MX scheme and scholar-type/AO schemes. Their pay is a tier higher than the normal MX scheme.

Thats all i know. I don't have the numbers.

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1. Which university did you attain your degree and PhD? These things matter. If local, I think you should get paid a bit more? I know some first class fresh grads taking in 3.6-3.8. So 4.2 seems to be quite a small increment for a Phd holder.

2. Depends, were you put on a managerial track? Most of the first-class grads I knew got AO positions. Although their pay is not as high as private sectors, being in AO ensures a fast-track. So although you may be paid low now, if you are on that fast-track, it wont matter since your pay should rise quickly.
My degree n PhD were from NTU. I didn't heard about the managerial track by the HR.

I felt that I was underpaid (HR said they didn't consider my working experience at NTU where I did my part-time PhD as well. Sound logical? Can I negotiate with HR for salary package?

Thanks.
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You are most probably hired as research engineer or research fellow when at NTU. your time in NTU while doing phd is actually a more gloried scholarship where you need to support tutorial / lab classes and doing research (which goes into your phd thesis). hence HR is right not to consider that as true work experience. $4.2k is very good as you need to consider that the phd is not required in the job nature. they could jolly well get a master graduate to do the same job. if you want to be paid for your phd title, you should seek academic job in the university. But then, with phd from local uni, it is rather difficult to secure tenure track in local uni. also you will need to undergo a low pay post-doctoral experience before you can be considered for faculty position as assistant prof. so if faculty job is not your cup of tea, then take the current offer.
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My degree n PhD were from NTU. I didn't heard about the managerial track by the HR.

I felt that I was underpaid (HR said they didn't consider my working experience at NTU where I did my part-time PhD as well. Sound logical? Can I negotiate with HR for salary package?

Thanks.
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IO scheme is an unusual scheme that is somewhere inbetween the MX scheme and scholar-type/AO schemes. Their pay is a tier higher than the normal MX scheme.

Thats all i know. I don't have the numbers.


Have heard io people hoh are very well-paid ...

If you r on io scheme, male w ns, can hit io11 in 4 years, pay is close to 10k pm, but doesn't come with the ao bonus

the rest i dunno liao, may have a glass ceiling also, friend quitted liao by then
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that IO sounds more like intelligence scheme rather than information scheme. int officers get paid more cuz their skills are not transferable and they cant put it on their resume other than generic sounding work. information scheme isnt as gd but its definitely better than MX.
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My degree n PhD were from NTU. I didn't heard about the managerial track by the HR.

I felt that I was underpaid (HR said they didn't consider my working experience at NTU where I did my part-time PhD as well. Sound logical? Can I negotiate with HR for salary package?

Thanks.
4ish range is typical for a fresh PhD holder in civil service. You are not underpaid. You can try neg for higher but considering you have no bargaining chips on hand. It will be take it or leave it.
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Seems like u are cherry picking. Having worked in civil service for nearly 20 years, I have seen my fair share of things. There are only 3 'real' grades in civil service - 11 (working), 10 (management), 9 (Senior Management). The truth is that in civil service, very few people reach 9, and if you do get 9 you are likely to be in the enabling (HR/FIN/IT) functions because the more important positions would have been filled by AOs. And you do not get 16K immediately when you hit 9. You start from early 10K, assuming you don't make a single mistake in your first 20-30 year of your career. In addition, you will need to cross the bar to get further. In fact, your pay starts stagnating when your pay edge closer to the bars. Sometimes the increments will be in 100- 200 or in tens. But at the same time, you will also realise that having this much money (round 10K) is enough for decent living. Taking a pay view is really short term, look for intrinsic motivation (e.g., service to the people, returning of goodwill, etc). It keeps you going in the long run. If you are in the run for money, you will be grossly disappointed.
Most directors are MX9 or equivalent and above, some are MX10 on the way. The MX9 make at least 180-350k, gross. The large range is due to bonuses and band, and whether ministry or stat board, whether regular or special scheme (ministry and special scheme more). And there are more than 915 individuals making more than 250k each year in Singapore.
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My degree n PhD were from NTU. I didn't heard about the managerial track by the HR.

I felt that I was underpaid (HR said they didn't consider my working experience at NTU where I did my part-time PhD as well. Sound logical? Can I negotiate with HR for salary package?

Thanks.
Sorry, top earners in civil service have degrees from oxbridge and ivy league. Sg, Australian, distance learning schools' graduates, even phds, are not given priority. You would have started at mx13 after bachelor's from ntu, and 4-6 years would have advanced to mx11, at best (2 promotions). At $4200, you are offered mx11.
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