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Old 17-12-2013, 08:33 PM
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Having $1K allowance is amazing.....

Can share what kind of allowance is that? I can only think of overseas full-sub if you're travelling frequently. I know of one ministry where their IT officers travel very often but you would be already a stat board employee seconded to ministry??
If my guessing on your allowance is correct, then some of us may be able to advise better. Can understand why you get only C when your boss can hardly see you and your works etc...

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Erm a few hundred only la, not 1k. Before allowance is low 6k, after allowance is high 6k. Allowance for doing additional technical research projects besides core work

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Erm a few hundred only la, not 1k. Before allowance is low 6k, after allowance is high 6k. Allowance for doing additional technical research projects besides core work
Even with $500-800 allowance is still amazing, esp when technical research projects are considered part of "core works" for many IT officers?

The next best allowance besides overseas would be foreign languages at $150-$500 monthly. The rarer it is, the higher. But you need to acquire and maintain A level equivalent in proficiency for that language.

If it's true, also can understand better now. Although you may be putting in more hours due to the projects, you're already compensated with such allowances. Compared to another officer without such allowances, his boss can justify better for his higher CEP and performance.

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Even with $500-800 allowance is still amazing, esp when technical research projects are considered part of "core works" for many IT officers?

The next best allowance besides overseas would be foreign languages at $150-$500 monthly. The rarer it is, the higher. But you need to acquire and maintain A level equivalent in proficiency for that language.

If it's true, also can understand better now. Although you may be putting in more hours due to the projects, you're already compensated with such allowances. Compared to another officer without such allowances, his boss can justify better for his higher CEP and performance.
The issue is at my current pay grade, most of the other officers are 1-2 appointments higher than me. So when it comes to ranking, it is extremely difficult to fight for a B grade even if I do a lot. And I tried v hard to fight for a higher appointment but my manager explicitly said it won't come so soon. So if everything remains the way it were, I would "hentakaki" at this pay grade for a very long time. That was why I was even willing to consider a switch to the stat board despite the pay cut
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The issue is at my current pay grade, most of the other officers are 1-2 appointments higher than me. So when it comes to ranking, it is extremely difficult to fight for a B grade even if I do a lot. And I tried v hard to fight for a higher appointment but my manager explicitly said it won't come so soon. So if everything remains the way it were, I would "hentakaki" at this pay grade for a very long time. That was why I was even willing to consider a switch to the stat board despite the pay cut
You've already answered your own question. Since it's brighter at the other side and the cut is not really that significant, by all means!


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The issue is at my current pay grade, most of the other officers are 1-2 appointments higher than me. So when it comes to ranking, it is extremely difficult to fight for a B grade even if I do a lot. And I tried v hard to fight for a higher appointment but my manager explicitly said it won't come so soon. So if everything remains the way it were, I would "hentakaki" at this pay grade for a very long time. That was why I was even willing to consider a switch to the stat board despite the pay cut
Sometimes it just seems like the grass is greener on the other side. While it sucks to have your colleagues 1-2 appointments higher than you, do bear in mind that it's just a matter of time before it's your turn. One thing I've learnt is that if you do stay long enough, your promotions will get faster and faster, even though your first 2 promotions may take years.

Overall, you may exceed your colleagues 5 years down the road. Especially if they start leaving the ministry before you do.


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Sometimes it just seems like the grass is greener on the other side. While it sucks to have your colleagues 1-2 appointments higher than you, do bear in mind that it's just a matter of time before it's your turn. One thing I've learnt is that if you do stay long enough, your promotions will get faster and faster, even though your first 2 promotions may take years.

Overall, you may exceed your colleagues 5 years down the road. Especially if they start leaving the ministry before you do.
If what i understood is correct, the appointment promotion depends very much on CEP. And more and more people are being promoted into my current job grade. So its a very fierce fight, and usually those with appointments will be ranked better. I don't see many people leaving the ministry cause most likely will suffer a pay cut, unless they get into IT in banks.
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currently working in a ministry with close to 7k(basic low 6k+allowances) doing IT work for 6.5 years
But not really satisfied with job scope and career progression
been getting C every year since the last promotion 2 years ago

applied to another stat board to do IT work which matches the job scope i keen on but their HR asked if i willing to accept pay cut to below 6k.

Should I stay or go?
I think its extremely hard to get promoted in current ministry as too many "tigers and dragons" But getting a pay cut of almost 1k, especially if its just transition from ministry to stat board sounds like a real bad deal; its like a demotion in 1 grade

Also, does CEP reset if i move over from ministry to stat board(stat board's belongs to a different ministry)

In short i keen to improve my job satisfaction and CEP, but the pay cut is a huge deterring factor. At worst i just willing to forgo my allowance and maintain my current basic.
May i ask which ministry are you from? Mindef?
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Sometimes it just seems like the grass is greener on the other side. While it sucks to have your colleagues 1-2 appointments higher than you, do bear in mind that it's just a matter of time before it's your turn. One thing I've learnt is that if you do stay long enough, your promotions will get faster and faster, even though your first 2 promotions may take years.

Overall, you may exceed your colleagues 5 years down the road. Especially if they start leaving the ministry before you do.
This is not necessary true. CEP still determines your pace of progression. If your bosses deem that you are of low potential, even if your peers have all left, those newer & younger officers would overtake you (as old bird) eventually.
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May i ask which ministry are you from? Mindef?
My guess is M*D within that ministry. The "amazing" allowance should be related to the rotating shifts.
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