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Old 13-09-2013, 10:33 AM
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You're somewhat similar to my current situation, except that you've gotten a better deal ($100 more) than I have.

Male, NS, 2nd upper from NUS. 3 years experience in public sector, jumped to another Ministry.
Are you 28 years old also? Any idea how long it would normally take to take to get promoted MX11 since we are already at the higher end of MX12?

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The 21 Rules of the Rich (and how you can emulate them)

21 Rules of the Rich and how to differentiate between the mentally/physically poor and the really rich.

Why the poor wants to emulate the rich but will never attain true riches.

The main difference is that rich people (either from hard work, inheritance, luck) has an action mentality as opposed to poor people who sit all day round and complain

<b>Only poor people with an action mentality get out of being poor while the rest of the poor people complain for the rest of their life that their family, their friends, their government and basically the whole world owes them a living.</b>

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Old 13-09-2013, 02:00 PM
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If i was formerly from a ministry and now re-applying for a position in a stat board or maybe even other ministries, will i at least get back my last drawn pay and job grade? Or same job grade but different pay? (And i have the necessary academic qualifications, and somewhat related experience in similar field from my previous "civil service" job?)

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Are you 28 years old also? Any idea how long it would normally take to take to get promoted MX11 since we are already at the higher end of MX12?
Yup I'm 28. I have no idea as I've just changed Ministry recently. According to my boss, it'll be a 3-4 years wait before promotion to MX11. But I think that's my boss trying to manage my expectations, and hope that I will not ask for the stars.

That aside, I personally think if you've stayed in the same organisation for the past 3 years already, perhaps 2 more years will be sufficient for you to reach MX11. That is to say, a total of 5 years from MX13 - MX11 if you're an above average performer (not a scholar).
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Why are we all always talking abt degree holders? How abt diploma holders?? Wat is the range for diploma holders in stat boards? Career prospect n increment? Wat abt the division n grade? Can someone pls share...
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i grad in 2009

male, served NS

getting >$6.5k, MX11

not sure if i shld stay in civil service forever
pls share with us your increment per year and whether this is your first job? class of honours?

>$6.5k for 4 years in service (2009-2013) sounds a bit far fetch. The above data points will help provide clarity.
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Old 17-09-2013, 09:57 AM
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Why are we all always talking abt degree holders? How abt diploma holders?? Wat is the range for diploma holders in stat boards? Career prospect n increment? Wat abt the division n grade? Can someone pls share...
The thing is, there aren't much career progression in the public sector if you hold a diploma. You will get to reach a ceiling of abt 5-6k after more than 15 years in service. No matter how hard you work, chances are you will never progress further. So unless you are thinking of a stable job, and you're not so ambitious, public sector welcome you.

So diploma holders usually don't want to join public sector unless they are looking for good work life balance. Typical starting pay is 2.2-2.4k, have to wait for years to break 3k, and more years to break 4k
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Old 17-09-2013, 12:25 PM
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Is it really dat bad for diploma holders in civil service? Any other guys with experience to comment on this...
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Is it really dat bad for diploma holders in civil service? Any other guys with experience to comment on this...
It depends on your definition of bad. What are you comparing to? If you're comparing to remuneration, there is no way public sector will ever be on par with the private sector even for graduates.

However if you're looking at making a difference to our nation and having a good work life balance, then public sector is the place for you. Then again, it varies from organisations to organisations, from portfolios to portfolios.

My suggestion is if you're a male with a diploma, young and ambitious, then venture out into the private sector where there's more room for progression and career advancement. Public sector looks at your academic credential first. Going by that, those with diploma are already on the losing end even before they start.

For example, diploma holders will never reach Div I grade no matter how hard they work, unless they further their studies to obtain a degree. Even then, it varies from organisations to organisations on whether they accept your degree and move you up to Div I.

In comparison, if you work in a private company, you will see people climbing up the corporate ladder based on their accomplishments rather than their academic credentials. This is a totally different story in the public sector for graduates/diploma holders as they will be bounded by PSD's rules and regulation on promotion and remunerations. Having said that, public sector does have it's advantages in that you can be sure of salary increments every year (for avg performers and above), though the quantum isn't that big.
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Well.. 1st thing, im not a fresh diploma holder.. I've had 8 years of working experience in the manufacturing industry. Im in my early 30's.. My basic is not even 2.5k and the increments really sucks.. so I dun know why people say private sector is better than public sector when it comes to money matters.. so at my age, with my experienced if I were to cross over to the public sector, would it be wise choice?
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