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Old 11-06-2013, 09:47 PM
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maybe i should rephrase my q.. just wondering if it is not an uncommon thing. i mean all one have to do is to declare and seek permission right?

i maybe wrong.
Encountered a few before. Mostly into part-time lecturing/tuition (general low civil service pay then). But with good increments & salary revisions in recent years, probably even fewer now (if any). And harder also e.g. faster and cheaper FTs

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astar snr officer vs dxo hr policy exec.. which would you choose assuming you're open to both? need advice on several criteria:
1. workplace benefits
2. career progression
3. working environment

thanks!
Workplace benefits I can't comment because I haven't been to either's offices.

Career progression I suppose would follow the normal uni grad civil servant trajectory lor. Asst Dir, Dy Dir by the time you retire if you're lucky.

I did my ns at Mindef Building and as a now as a civilian guy going back there now to work I will totally hate it because of the oppressive memories I have of that place. Nonetheless I wasn't involved in the daily project research gritty work that the DXOs do so I can't say much. But environment wise.. Mindef is pretty out of the way if you stay in the east and its nowhere near any MRT station. Majorly hard to come to work everyday taking the bus all the time. And the building is damn old fyi.

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Workplace benefits I can't comment because I haven't been to either's offices.

Career progression I suppose would follow the normal uni grad civil servant trajectory lor. Asst Dir, Dy Dir by the time you retire if you're lucky.

I did my ns at Mindef Building and as a now as a civilian guy going back there now to work I will totally hate it because of the oppressive memories I have of that place. Nonetheless I wasn't involved in the daily project research gritty work that the DXOs do so I can't say much. But environment wise.. Mindef is pretty out of the way if you stay in the east and its nowhere near any MRT station. Majorly hard to come to work everyday taking the bus all the time. And the building is damn old fyi.
Wow... you said until like that then no one dares to join liao. My interaction with the DXOs was during my reservist time in a major airbase located in NE. From my observation, rather than "oppression", I would say they are more rank/senority conscious whereby the lower rank old birdies and higher rank officers feel entitled to "offload" the manual jobs (aka siak kang) to the newbies. Down PES NSFs being on the lowest chain would of course bore the brunt

Now on the positive - hardly any OTs I see. All rush to bus stops or drive out punctually at 530pm if not earlier. Only OT time is during major events like VIP visits or exercise where you would be compensated with off-in-lieu. If posted to camps/bases, free food and free car park as well. These are considered uncommon "privileges" in rest of civil service.

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Hi all

I would like to check if there are any mid career ppl out here who quit the private sector to join civil service? Do you get a pay cut? How much?

I have 15yrs experience in private sector. Intend to join ministry but there is a big pay cut as experience is not relevant. Entry grade offered at MX11. Non scholar.

I see many pple here state that they reach MX11 after 5-8yrs in Civil service. I feel short changed as I have so many more years of working experience.

Is there any scheme that will help mid career ppl move up the ranks faster ? Assuming they need an initial 1-2 yrs of assessment before adjusting the mid career ppl to their correct level / original pay scale?


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I would like to check if there are any mid career ppl out here who quit the private sector to join civil service? Do you get a pay cut? How much?

I have 15yrs experience in private sector. Intend to join ministry but there is a big pay cut as experience is not relevant. Entry grade offered at MX11. Non scholar.

I see many pple here state that they reach MX11 after 5-8yrs in Civil service. I feel short changed as I have so many more years of working experience.

Is there any scheme that will help mid career ppl move up the ranks faster ? Assuming they need an initial 1-2 yrs of assessment before adjusting the mid career ppl to their correct level / original pay scale?
Hi - sorry to hear that.

I am also offered MX11 and I am also from pte sector or rather GLC. But the salary is not yet proposed to me. Was wondering if you could share if you are earning >6K?

Thanks in advance!
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I would like to check if there are any mid career ppl out here who quit the private sector to join civil service? Do you get a pay cut? How much?

I have 15yrs experience in private sector. Intend to join ministry but there is a big pay cut as experience is not relevant. Entry grade offered at MX11. Non scholar.

I see many pple here state that they reach MX11 after 5-8yrs in Civil service. I feel short changed as I have so many more years of working experience.

Is there any scheme that will help mid career ppl move up the ranks faster ? Assuming they need an initial 1-2 yrs of assessment before adjusting the mid career ppl to their correct level / original pay scale?
I think MOE is very transparent about that. If you leave pte sector to join them, be prepared for massive pay cut in return for supposed job security.

My suggestion to you is if you are old already and still hung up about pay and promotions, MOE is not the place for you. You just end up getting frustrated as your peers keep pulling further ahead of you. As a rule of thumb, most teachers do not make it past SGEO 1, i.e. the max pay you will likely get on retirement at 62 in present dollars is 8k+.

Go in with your eyes open and be realistic about pay.
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Old 14-06-2013, 12:51 AM
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2011 Civil Service Salary Range

Job grade: MX9 (Superscale)
Job title: Deputy Director, Director
Pay scale: S$10,580 S$14,550 / S$14,551 S$16,540

Job grade: MX10
Job title: Assistant Director, Deputy Director
Pay scale: S$6,350 S$9,050 / S$9,051 S$10,400

Job grade: MX11
Job title: Manager, Assistant Director
Pay scale: S$4,100 S$6,160 / S$6,161 S$7,190

Job grade: MX12
Job title: Assistant Manager, Manager
Pay scale: S$2,550 S$5,130

Job grade: MX13
Job title: Management Executive
Pay scale: up to S$2,800 for fresh graduates


anyone has any updated info on the salary range ?? especially for the starting pay of MX11?
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I think MOE is very transparent about that. If you leave pte sector to join them, be prepared for massive pay cut in return for supposed job security.

My suggestion to you is if you are old already and still hung up about pay and promotions, MOE is not the place for you. You just end up getting frustrated as your peers keep pulling further ahead of you. As a rule of thumb, most teachers do not make it past SGEO 1, i.e. the max pay you will likely get on retirement at 62 in present dollars is 8k+.

Go in with your eyes open and be realistic about pay.
Agree 101%. Never join MOE with the intention of budiling career, get good increment/promotion. Treat it as bonus if have, otherwise sure disappointment.
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Hi all,

I'm a degree holder with 2 years relevant experience.

Was offered 3.8k to join a stat board. Is it below market rate?

Male, finished ns
there abouts
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Hi all

I would like to check if there are any mid career ppl out here who quit the private sector to join civil service? Do you get a pay cut? How much?

I have 15yrs experience in private sector. Intend to join ministry but there is a big pay cut as experience is not relevant. Entry grade offered at MX11. Non scholar.

I see many pple here state that they reach MX11 after 5-8yrs in Civil service. I feel short changed as I have so many more years of working experience.
correct level / original pay scale?
What happens with ministry job is private experience are hardly any relevant. Same thing if you move from ministry to pte sector (high flyer, super smart AO scholars could make it big in pte if they really want, however). Pay wise you have to look at yearly civil service bonus as well - abt 3-4 months for C grader, 4-5 months for B and 5-6 months for A grader. Most pte companies don't have this kind of bonuses so you have to factor in as well.

However I must warn you that as a non-scholar and mid-career, you'll see many of your peers at least 5-8 yrs younger than you. Ministries are full of scholars. MA scholars reach MX11 about 3-4 years after graduation. The AO DDs/Ds are in their early 30s. The young DSes could be in mid 30s. Frankly these scholars really have it easy because of academic credentials - and as a result, the ministries have morph into a place that favors this kind of brainy skills. If you don't have it, you're in the loosing end. No different from selection for the gifted program in primary school (and you'll see, many of them are in GEP since young).

Anyway, if you're ok with that, CS is not a bad place to be. However, be prepared to feel unfulfilled and spending your time maneuvering between bureaucracy. I know a few mid-careers who joined ministries - I was one of them, they all left (me included) after 1-2 yrs, since the environment is drastically different from pte and frankly, you don't feel you're contributing to society - just wasting taxpayer's money. It could be different in the statboards, however.
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