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Old 18-02-2013, 09:00 PM
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Hi forumers,

I have been digging around for salary information for civil service but have often been given diplomatic answers like "unable to give a range as all interviewees are different".

I am currently 34yrs old male with Bachelors degree in Business Admin from Uni Canberra, Australia and a Masters of Intl Business from Monash University, Australia. I have 5 years as a civil servant and 6 years of experience in FMCG with reputable companies................


Wow! great to see so many different views.... as a former civil servant I also understand CEP. CEP is really dependent on bosses and may differ year to year...anyway the reason why I am considering MTI is becoz I feel that I would have an advantage as I intend to do my Phd at NTU(RSIS) ...probably will do research in political economics. Being in MTI would help me in my thesis and data collection.

or continue in the private sector and give up on the Phd... what you guys think?

BTW any chance of getting a scholarship from MTI or any government dept ( draw normal salary plus study fulltime) with bond of course.. my family not too well to do. Advice needed here.
Why did you leave CS in the first place? Would be easier had you remain at your previous ministry. Postgrad sponsorship usually requires at least 5 years of good performance (MOE started this scheme). Some of my colleagues went for full-time MSc sponsorship (must be relevant to specific jobs) in both local and overseas uni. On average, they've been ~10 years of service. So far, never heard of 3-5 years of PhD sponsorship yet.

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1. No

2. Yes

3. Yes, but definitely not with SIM degree. Mid careers AOs are usually for people who futher their studies in top global universities.

In short if your goal is to be some high flier in CS, I would say forget it. With just a SIM cert, you will be lucky to even reach DD by 52 years old.
Bro I think your pointer 1 is wrong. I am a rmit grad and I am in research. The only place that are off limit to private degree is policy. And even if you are local degree also hard to get in because usually policy is reserved for scholar. 52 years old or not to reach what level I think it boils down to your boss like you or not.

In general, please do not join cs if you dun have the passion and pride to serve the public and have genuine interest to make Singapore a better place. If you are joining to earn big bucks and climb the cs ladder. I think you are better off in the private sector. Otherwise after u join 5 years and can't get any promotion u will end up a kpk person and drag your feet to work everyday thinking no one give u an opportunity . And it will be too late for you to join back the pte sector.

Please choose your career wisly and ask yourself what you want put of it.

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I think selective degrees. For example, MOE is looking for English degree holders from SIM (where the greatest shortage of teachers is).
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getting lowest grade in one's appraisal would mean no bonus in CS. I think that might be the diff btw CS and pte
I have never come across anyone getting a D grade in cs. Unless you are under investigation for some serious cock up.
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Need only to work for 3 years before being eligible for the postgraduate sponsorship, which includes the annual remuneration. But I notice that it is easier to get it if one is working in a technical or specialised position. My friend who works in the hydrography department was sent to Plymouth to study hydrography. For myself, I am currently reading computer science at York. MOH sends many of their healthcare professionals such as pharmacists and physiotherapists for a one year Masters program too.

Do note that the abovementioned scheme is different from the AO scheme, where they would send future senior civil servants to Harvard to study Public Administration or MBA. By the way, i have heard that MBA is reserved for AOs only. So if you happen to work in a finance position, you may consider other options such as Masters in Accounting or Commerce.

So far, only Mindef sends their scientists and engineers for a fully paid for PhD program.

A common profile for the postgraduate recipients is that they are generally in their early 30s (having worked in the civil service for at least 3 years, as mentioned above) and have a decent CEP (aka potential). Most importantly, they have the support of their bosses.
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To add, postgrad sponsorship do not equate high CEP. I know a whiner in my department kept pestering boss for 1 year MSc sponsorship in UK. The boss cannot "tahan" and send the whiner away for one year. Upon return, whiner complained loudly why no performance bonus i.e. D grading.
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I have never come across anyone getting a D grade in cs. Unless you are under investigation for some serious cock up.
Investigation would be "E = adverse report" liao.
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Need only to work for 3 years before being eligible for the postgraduate sponsorship, which includes the annual remuneration. But I notice that it is easier to get it if one is working in a technical or specialised position. My friend who works in the hydrography department was sent to Plymouth to study hydrography. For myself, I am currently reading computer science at York. MOH sends many of their healthcare professionals such as pharmacists and physiotherapists for a one year Masters program too.

Do note that the abovementioned scheme is different from the AO scheme, where they would send future senior civil servants to Harvard to study Public Administration or MBA. By the way, i have heard that MBA is reserved for AOs only. So if you happen to work in a finance position, you may consider other options such as Masters in Accounting or Commerce.

So far, only Mindef sends their scientists and engineers for a fully paid for PhD program.

A common profile for the postgraduate recipients is that they are generally in their early 30s (having worked in the civil service for at least 3 years, as mentioned above) and have a decent CEP (aka potential). Most importantly, they have the support of their bosses.
3 years is minimal on paper. Come with at least 3 years bond for local study. But most won't recommend if you haven't been on job for at least 5 yrs cos no one know whether you would like to stay long. Btw, sponsorship has no link to CEP. Often, I see those who didn't take up sponsorship can promote faster than those who did.

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Bro I think your pointer 1 is wrong. I am a rmit grad and I am in research. The only place that are off limit to private degree is policy. And even if you are local degree also hard to get in because usually policy is reserved for scholar. 52 years old or not to reach what level I think it boils down to your boss like you or not.

In general, please do not join cs if you dun have the passion and pride to serve the public and have genuine interest to make Singapore a better place. If you are joining to earn big bucks and climb the cs ladder. I think you are better off in the private sector. Otherwise after u join 5 years and can't get any promotion u will end up a kpk person and drag your feet to work everyday thinking no one give u an opportunity . And it will be too late for you to join back the pte sector.

Please choose your career wisly and ask yourself what you want put of it.
Thank you for sharing
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no need to have worked for many years. But need to have a decent CEP.

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3 years is minimal on paper. Come with at least 3 years bond for local study. But most won't recommend if you haven't been on job for at least 5 yrs cos no one know whether you would like to stay long. Btw, sponsorship has no link to CEP. Often, I see those who didn't take up sponsorship can promote faster than those who did.
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