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Old 31-07-2022, 11:18 AM
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this MX11 thing is rubbish as others have mentioned.

And it's flat 5%, not even 6% or 6.5%. They just choose not to pay MX11 extra because most mid-careers join at MX11

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Old 31-07-2022, 11:20 AM
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How long does it take to promote from 11 to 11A? I believe when one is promoted to 11A in the coming years, he or she will also enjoy a higher pay bump according to revised pay scale.
I highly doubt so. You get revised pay now as MX11, doesnt matter if you are promoted to MX11a in 1,2,3 or however many years.

Dont think you get that additional bump. Just the increment + promotion pay which someone has advised to be $400+ above

means you effectively lose more over the long run

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Old 31-07-2022, 12:39 PM
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Fresh Grad and new hire should not be entitled even if their grade are mx loh.. new hiring pay already very high and match market response.. such increment should be given to only those is service for 5years and above.. itís ridiculous to see a freshie pay that took the old bird quite awhile to reach last time..
What to do? Fresh grads with 1-2 years experience are usually highly valued and their revised salary is easily equal to old hires with >5 years experience. In civil service, the starting pay really matters given the slow increments thereafter

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Any pay rise since 2021?
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MX13-12 are entry/junior executives, MX11-11A are the senior executives, and MX10 are the appointment holders/managers. Letís not talk about MX10 since they have quite different responsibilities altogether. But 11 and 11A are pretty similar in terms of seniority, workload, job complexity, and responsibility. We are essentially the sandwich class, those in it will understand. So how was it that when pegged to the market, MX 11s are much closer to the market rate than junior execs and senior execs? I am entirely happy for my colleagues in 12 and 11A, we went through thickís and thins together and they fully deserve the higher quantum, but I don knew how the review sidelined 11.
I donít think this is the way the grades are seen. MX13, 12 and 11 are viewed as staff (or ďexecutivesĒ as u mentioned) with varying levels of seniority. MX11A and 10 have supervisory roles. The recent adjustments look like they want to create stronger distinctions between these groups - i.e. narrowing the diff between 12/11 and pulling 11A/10 further up

As a fellow MX11, Iím also quite upset that weíre given the short end of the stick. Looking for ways to move out of the scheme or service if necessary.
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MX13-12 are entry/junior executives, MX11-11A are the senior executives, and MX10 are the appointment holders/managers. Letís not talk about MX10 since they have quite different responsibilities altogether. But 11 and 11A are pretty similar in terms of seniority, workload, job complexity, and responsibility. We are essentially the sandwich class, those in it will understand. So how was it that when pegged to the market, MX 11s are much closer to the market rate than junior execs and senior execs? I am entirely happy for my colleagues in 12 and 11A, we went through thickís and thins together and they fully deserve the higher quantum, but I don knew how the review sidelined 11.
Fully agree. In fact with how many older generation stuck at MX11A and basically treating the job as a retirement job, it's not rare at all that many lower grades do more work than MX11A cause the bosses can't manage them well.

I'm thinking if this difference is a result of mx11a being carved out from MX11 several years back... Such that actually mx11 and mx11a are actually compared to the same market rate, but because of this artifical separation into 11 and 11a, the market rate is also artificially cut off at some point.

Hate that we all know there is no way for us to really get an explanation on this issue though. Plus quite obviously other grades are happy and watching show.
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I'm very puzzled by the sentiments here. Be it 5, 8 or 10 percent, the people here effectively got 2 pay bumps this year - merit increment in April and this pay revision. But not many seem grateful for that. The increment is benchmarked against the private sector, and so it is definitely possible the gaps for some grades are wider, and some are narrower - not some personal agenda against any specific groups.
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I'm very puzzled by the sentiments here. Be it 5, 8 or 10 percent, the people here effectively got 2 pay bumps this year - merit increment in April and this pay revision. But not many seem grateful for that. The increment is benchmarked against the private sector, and so it is definitely possible the gaps for some grades are wider, and some are narrower - not some personal agenda against any specific groups.
Yes some gaps are wider some narrower. But itís puzzling how the gap is much smaller at 11 right in the middle of 12 and 11a. Letís put it simpler. 12 11 11a - 3, 7, 11 years of experience respectively. The review suggests the gaps goes from big (9%) to small (5%) to big (5%). Think about it, not impossible, but does it make sense?

I am thankful for the revision, but that doesnít mean I cannot think critically about it. And to put things into perspective, since covid, increment reduced, 1 year increase 100+ only. With 3-4% less increment means about 2 years of MI. Not to mention to mention inflation.
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Yes some gaps are wider some narrower. But itís puzzling how the gap is much smaller at 11 right in the middle of 12 and 11a. Letís put it simpler. 12 11 11a - 3, 7, 11 years of experience respectively. The review suggests the gaps goes from big (9%) to small (5%) to big (5%). Think about it, not impossible, but does it make sense?
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I'm very puzzled by the sentiments here. Be it 5, 8 or 10 percent, the people here effectively got 2 pay bumps this year - merit increment in April and this pay revision. But not many seem grateful for that. The increment is benchmarked against the private sector, and so it is definitely possible the gaps for some grades are wider, and some are narrower - not some personal agenda against any specific groups.
I am thankful for the revision, but that doesnít mean I cannot think critically about it. And to put things into perspective, since covid, increment reduced, 1 year increase 100+ only. With 3-4% less increment means about 2 years of MI. Not to mention to mention inflation.
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