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Old 16-01-2012, 01:45 PM
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here's my take

govt instr manual (hr section), which is an open document accessible for all civil servants via intranet, states how to pay a new hire.

basically find his base salary level + number of years of relevant working experience. relevant years of working experience may include full time post graduate studies.

above formula ensures that new hires are paid fairly (vs private sector) and consistently (across civil service). note that stat boards and special services (legal, intelligence, AO) may have a different, usually much higher payscale than the MX track.

hence what some of you have mentioned "based on CEP, you can almost calculate you net worth 30 year later when you retire".

the point i want to make is while salary is one thing, job satisfaction and job security are two other important factors too. by job satisfaction i also mean how bearable a civil service job is compared to many privated sector jobs. how many private sector jobs have the numerous team bonding, town halls, innovation day, etc (non-work events) per year? in fact many backend finance jobs, engineering or even medicine (GP) are specialised and well paying but very very boring and monotonous.

by job security, how many in private sector are pretty sure they will not be made redundant in next 30 years? job security enables you to plan for holidays, children, property, etc.

my conlcusion is that civil servants are paid fairly. those who do not think so think that they are better performers than are recognized. however the only way this group can confirm this is to search and receive a better paying job outside and for similar working conditions (9 - 6pm, no shift work, 13mths basic + 3 mths almost guranteed PB + other bonuses).

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here's my take

govt instr manual (hr section), which is an open document accessible for all civil servants via intranet, states how to pay a new hire.

basically find his base salary level + number of years of relevant working experience. relevant years of working experience may include full time post graduate studies.

above formula ensures that new hires are paid fairly (vs private sector) and consistently (across civil service). note that stat boards and special services (legal, intelligence, AO) may have a different, usually much higher payscale than the MX track.

hence what some of you have mentioned "based on CEP, you can almost calculate you net worth 30 year later when you retire".

the point i want to make is while salary is one thing, job satisfaction and job security are two other important factors too. by job satisfaction i also mean how bearable a civil service job is compared to many privated sector jobs. how many private sector jobs have the numerous team bonding, town halls, innovation day, etc (non-work events) per year? in fact many backend finance jobs, engineering or even medicine (GP) are specialised and well paying but very very boring and monotonous.

by job security, how many in private sector are pretty sure they will not be made redundant in next 30 years? job security enables you to plan for holidays, children, property, etc.

my conlcusion is that civil servants are paid fairly. those who do not think so think that they are better performers than are recognized. however the only way this group can confirm this is to search and receive a better paying job outside and for similar working conditions (9 - 6pm, no shift work, 13mths basic + 3 mths almost guranteed PB + other bonuses).
How about DXO scheme, DX10-DX15 salary, any different to MX scheme?

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can I know what organizations have the intelligence scheme? So far I only know of mha.

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can I know what organizations have the intelligence scheme? So far I only know of mha.
why does it matter for you? ur not going to get out of that grass cutting job just by hanging around asking irrelevant questions online no matter what the scheme is.
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Old 17-01-2012, 01:37 PM
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I left the civil service after 12 long years, with a last drawn salary of $3.6k. I have a degree in engineering but was neither promoted nor paid according to my qualifications. Had tried applying for a senior post twice but was rejected.

Leaving the ministry was the toughest decision ever in my entire life (being in comfort zone for too long) but I was determined to leave for private sector or even stat board (public service) as I do not see myself remaining in the civil service forever till I retire.

Firstly, I see the learning curve in civil service quite gentle and to a certain extent, unchallenging.

Secondly, even if i get promoted to a senior post (based on my performance), there will be certainly a cap on my progression. Only graduates will not have any ceiling in terms of CEP (also depending on performance). If both graduate and non-graduate performs equally well, I'm very sure that the CEP for the graduate will be higher than the non-graduate. This is a fact that we can't deny.

Thirdly, if I want to earn big money, I should not remain in the civil service. If you don't dare to explore, you never would and be able to earn the big money you want in life.

Of course, it is not all about money after all, like what most of you have mentioned here, it's about job satisfaction. Do what we want in life, not what we have to.
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I left the civil service after 12 long years, with a last drawn salary of $3.6k. I have a degree in engineering but was neither promoted nor paid according to my qualifications. Had tried applying for a senior post twice but was rejected.

Leaving the ministry was the toughest decision ever in my entire life (being in comfort zone for too long) but I was determined to leave for private sector or even stat board (public service) as I do not see myself remaining in the civil service forever till I retire.

Firstly, I see the learning curve in civil service quite gentle and to a certain extent, unchallenging.

Secondly, even if i get promoted to a senior post (based on my performance), there will be certainly a cap on my progression. Only graduates will not have any ceiling in terms of CEP (also depending on performance). If both graduate and non-graduate performs equally well, I'm very sure that the CEP for the graduate will be higher than the non-graduate. This is a fact that we can't deny.

Thirdly, if I want to earn big money, I should not remain in the civil service. If you don't dare to explore, you never would and be able to earn the big money you want in life.

Of course, it is not all about money after all, like what most of you have mentioned here, it's about job satisfaction. Do what we want in life, not what we have to.
So what are you working as in the private sector now? Are you doing better? Did you get a severe paycut in private sector due to your inrelevant civil service experience?
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I left the civil service after 12 long years, with a last drawn salary of $3.6k. I have a degree in engineering but was neither promoted nor paid according to my qualifications. Had tried applying for a senior post twice but was rejected.

Leaving the ministry was the toughest decision ever in my entire life (being in comfort zone for too long) but I was determined to leave for private sector or even stat board (public service) as I do not see myself remaining in the civil service forever till I retire.

Firstly, I see the learning curve in civil service quite gentle and to a certain extent, unchallenging.

Secondly, even if i get promoted to a senior post (based on my performance), there will be certainly a cap on my progression. Only graduates will not have any ceiling in terms of CEP (also depending on performance). If both graduate and non-graduate performs equally well, I'm very sure that the CEP for the graduate will be higher than the non-graduate. This is a fact that we can't deny.

Thirdly, if I want to earn big money, I should not remain in the civil service. If you don't dare to explore, you never would and be able to earn the big money you want in life.

Of course, it is not all about money after all, like what most of you have mentioned here, it's about job satisfaction. Do what we want in life, not what we have to.
you have a degree and getting 3.6k after 12 years??

today, a 2nd upper with NS local degree, fresh grad getting 3.5-3.6k already....

wat degree class of honour you got? from wat university?
wat is your starting pay when you 1st join civil service with your degree??
do you with NS or no NS??
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I obtained my degree (from an aussie university) while still serving in the civil service. Started with $1.8k, as a direct entry diploma holder.

Yes, definitely I have to suffer a pay cut in the private sector but I know that the pay increment will pick up as I gain more experience professionally as an engineer or anywhere that recognises my degree and experiences. Furthermore, if i want to pursue further studies, i don't foresee any career progression in the civil service even with a MBA, as part-time MBA is not recognised at all. So what's the point of pursuing higher education where civil service does not recognise the paper????
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I obtained my degree (from an aussie university) while still serving in the civil service. Started with $1.8k, as a direct entry diploma holder.

Yes, definitely I have to suffer a pay cut in the private sector but I know that the pay increment will pick up as I gain more experience professionally as an engineer or anywhere that recognises my degree and experiences. Furthermore, if i want to pursue further studies, i don't foresee any career progression in the civil service even with a MBA, as part-time MBA is not recognised at all. So what's the point of pursuing higher education where civil service does not recognise the paper????
You should have stayed on to complete your mba inside civil service before coming out... the slack environment inside is optimum for part-time studies... Your boss in private sector will not be as undestanding to let you leave on time like in civil service... Anyway, my suggestion is to really do a reputable MBA instead of a lousey 2nd grade one... If not it'll be a total waste of money really...
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just wondering.

smu honours grading system is different from that of nus and ntu.

how does the civic service sector allocate the starting pay accordingly?

btw, does anyone know about ie singapore, their starting pay, and career advancement?

thanks in advance.
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