Originally Posted by tx3 (Post 94886)

What are the top paying companies in Singapore for Computer science fresh graduates? Any rough figures of their pay?

Are Google/Apple Singapore as prestigious and high-paying as their U.S counterpart?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 94892)

How about you get a few actual offers first then talk? If you are really that competitive, you would have gotten some preliminary offers or at least have a rough idea of the industry through past internship or professional network.

Originally Posted by tx3 (Post 94893)

Why are you so aggressive? I never claimed i'm competitive, just curious?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 94894)

It's not aggressive, just tired of the same old sort of senseless question. This is like the hundredth time someone is asking which company pays best and how much type of question.

Seriously, if you really want to know, at least put in more effort and thought process to your question to show that you are really interested. Don't just ask simple minded question like this and expect a direct answer. Show some maturity of someone who is close to graduating or even in the workforce already.

You are free to ask, but don't expect any serious answer if you ask in this manner.

Originally Posted by insiocto (Post 94905)

Great work-life balance and benefits.

Originally Posted by insiocto (Post 94905)

Glad you asked this question. We do need more CS love in this forum.

Based on my research so far, market rate as of 2017 is 4.5K and above for a good CS graduate, and 7-10K for senior engineers. Here are some companies that offer such salaries.

1) Rapidly growing VC funded startups such as Garena (>5.5K), Grab (>5K), honestbee (~5K) and Carousell (~4.5K). Garena is about to IPO and is quickly conquering the mobile e-commerce space with its Shopee offering. Grab is probably the fastest growing startup in SEA with dozens of people hired per day. Both Garena and Grab hire fresh graduates regularly. Due to the frenzied development pace, the work-life balance is not really ideal, but the performance bonus can be very good if you are willing to put in the hard work.

There are smaller VC funded startups that are relatively unknown, but they are doing really interesting work. Nugit, 90 Seconds, TradeGecko and nuTonomy come to mind. However, they rarely hire fresh graduates. They offer 7-10K for senior engineers though.

2) Reputable software consultancies like ThoughtWorks (>4.5K) and Pivotal Labs (>4.5K). You will definitely learn how to make high-quality software during your stint there. They are hiring fresh graduates regularly as well. They put a lot of emphasis on pair programming though (some people may not like it). Decent work-life balance, although you may need to put in extra hours to catch up on the client’s tech stack. Well-defined career track as well, 7-10K is possible if you stay there long enough and get promoted to senior engineer.

3) Government digital services AKA GovTech (>4.5K). Taking a cue from their U.S. counterpart ([s://.usds.gov/[/), they are adopting a Silicon Valley attitude (think startup culture) to how they create software. Basically, they are like a software consulting arm for the SG government, developing products using agile methodology and evangelizing software engineering best practices to other government agencies. Also, there is Singapore Power, a stat board entity that is going digital, and is attracting a [URL="s://.techinasia.com/singapore-power-sau-sheong"]strong team of engineers[/.

Pretty much an iron rice bowl with a well-defined career track, except the work is not too interesting, although it can be meaningful to some people.

4) Acquired tech startups such as Viki (>5K), Zopim (>4.5K) and Redmart (>4.5K). They are independent subsidiaries who are not absorbed into the parent company post-acquisition. As such, they got the financial backing of a mature company and can continue to do interesting work independently. Their engineering teams are pretty lean with mostly senior engineers. They have a strong mentorship culture, which is great for fresh grads. Excellent work-life balance since they focus on the work you have done instead of hours worked, which means working hours are flexible.

5) Profitable startups such as PigeonLab (~5K) and ReferralCandy (>4K). Typically, these startups are bootstrapped without any/very little VC funding, yielding organic growth. This necessitates a lean engineering team, but they compensate their engineers very well. Good work-life balance with remote work option.

6) Reputable BigCorps building their own engineering teams right here on local soil. Google, Facebook, HomeAway and Skyscanner come to mind. Their pay should be pegged to Garena level, or slightly higher. For Google, HomeAway and Skyscanner, their engineering teams are focused on expanding its user base in SEA. Facebook’s team consists mostly of data engineers doing BI work and supporting its U.S. counterparts. Great work-life balance and benefits.

Also, to answer your question about prestige. For Google and Facebook, their interviews are standardised meaning the difficulty is similar to their U.S. counterparts. The salaries are much lower, however it’s still in the top percentile in Singapore which has a relatively lower COL and much lower tax. However, I still think it's more prestigious to work at their U.S. headquarters, as you can work on their core products or moonshot projects. For their APAC teams, their work is mostly restricted to support user growth in the region.

Lastly, the bottom line is, you have to be good to receive such offers. You cannot just waltz in and smoke your way to the offer stage. Those companies typically give tough technical interviews and you have to prepare for them for months beforehand. The job hunt is a mentally draining and time-consuming process too, sometimes with soul-crushing rejections.

Source: received multiple offers from the aforementioned companies and got friends working there.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 95042)

Sorry to hijack thread, I am also a Comp Science grad with close to 1 year exp. currently in a startup.

I was approached by a headhunter and went for an interview with Lazada for a developer role for data systems. After the main interview, I told the HR that my expected salary is 6k (15% above what I am getting now), but the girl tell me this is above market.

She told me base on their market research, they cannot match my expected salary and ask me if basic salary ard 5.5k but higher bonus (she claim is 4-5mths, better than the 2 mths i'm getting now) whether I am willing to continue for further interviews.

Right now I just say willing to proceed, but want to check with other experience people in the industry how is the market rate like for 1-2 years relevant exp.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 95045)

Wow... U got 5k+ with only about 1 year exp in a startup. Where did u find such a good deal

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 95042)

Sorry to hijack thread, I am also a Comp Science grad with close to 1 year exp. currently in a startup.

I was approached by a headhunter and went for an interview with Lazada for a developer role for data systems. After the main interview, I told the HR that my expected salary is 6k (15% above what I am getting now), but the girl tell me this is above market.

She told me base on their market research, they cannot match my expected salary and ask me if basic salary ard 5.5k but higher bonus (she claim is 4-5mths, better than the 2 mths i'm getting now) whether I am willing to continue for further interviews.

Right now I just say willing to proceed, but want to check with other experience people in the industry how is the market rate like for 1-2 years relevant exp.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 94900)

Different poster here.

I think the OP was just being curious, cut him some slack.

Anyhow, from what I know, Apple and Google aren't as remotely as prestigious as their US counterparts. I don't know about engineering per se but I know they pay your standard run of the mill pay in Singapore ~$3k.

Originally Posted by i_stinks (Post 100391)

How good is Skyscanner may I ask?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 101461)

I have heard of fresh graduates getting >5k but are these the top students? You must be very good at programming to be paid that high.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 101486)

Not really, above average can already. Most normal grads from CS are getting above 4k these days...

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 101621)

Do you have a source for such a statement? It's kind of a sweeping statement, much better if you have data to prove it..

Originally Posted by i_stinks (Post 100560)

Not sure about Google full time Singapore but Google internship in Singapore is very easy to get in. But many people do not know and never apply.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 102906)

What? How true is this?

Originally Posted by zero_88 (Post 103433)

I am no honour Com Science student

the market rate for no honour student

is 3.5k for 2017

BUT if include my bonus +AWS

my monthly salary is 4k + monthly on average

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 103436)

I disagree with your mindset that grade matters much for CS jobs. I’ve seen so many honors degree holders can’t find a good job or can’t even pass first technical round. You should always remember software engineering is a hands on and fast paced job. My GPA is 2.78 and still can get into a 5.5k/month engineer job which has 5 rounds of technical interviews. Practice more, try to see, think, folk and contribute to GitHub and you can make it.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 103436)

I disagree with your mindset that grade matters much for CS jobs. I’ve seen so many honors degree holders can’t find a good job or can’t even pass first technical round. You should always remember software engineering is a hands on and fast paced job. My GPA is 2.78 and still can get into a 5.5k/month engineer job which has 5 rounds of technical interviews. Practice more, try to see, think, folk and contribute to GitHub and you can make it.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 103504)

Sometimes, I wondering if I am overpaid. My salary is around 5k per month with 2 + years exp. They adjusted my pay to the complexity of my role in a startup env.(Multi-roles)

I enjoyed my software development role though...my gpa also not that fantastic....only 2.9

Originally Posted by i_stinks (Post 103999)

What company you from?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 101133)

3.5k for internship is great yes (Autodesk is around 2.5k since 2016/2017) but for full time is average.

Tech stack dated. Hmm it appears so hard to find a company where the tech stack is not dated.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 103436)

I disagree with your mindset that grade matters much for CS jobs. I’ve seen so many honors degree holders can’t find a good job or can’t even pass first technical round. You should always remember software engineering is a hands on and fast paced job. My GPA is 2.78 and still can get into a 5.5k/month engineer job which has 5 rounds of technical interviews. Practice more, try to see, think, folk and contribute to GitHub and you can make it.

Originally Posted by FSD (Post 105486)

Hi, been working for 2.5 years, am skilled in Java, Web and Android. Able to do databases, webservices, batch jobs, back-end, front-end. Is it realistic for me to ask for a 5k salary for a new job?

Thanks